Tumbling and Connection

[ScottRob]

An idea that has helped me on and off over the years is keeping some pressure between the left arm and left pec at least to, thru and past the ball. As a chronic under planer this was a tall order, but I have noticed since focusing on tumbling that that pressure seems to be more of an effect, or a by product of swinging left. Am I correct in thinking that tumbling and connection are...connected?

 

[gmbtempe]

An idea that has helped me on and off over the years is keeping some pressure between the left arm and left pec at least to, thru and past the ball. As a chronic under planer this was a tall order, but I have noticed since focusing on tumbling that that pressure seems to be more of an effect, or a by product of swinging left. Am I correct in thinking that tumbling and connection are...connected?

Wow that is freaky.

Played today with "jkgolf" and were talking about this very thing and I said I would ask at Brian's site. I am having trouble actually producing enough tumble.

Once you drop below plane can you tumble as a correction or is it too late?

What would produce maximum tumble?

 

[Lindsey Newman]

An idea that has helped me on and off over the years is keeping some pressure between the left arm and left pec at least to, thru and past the ball. As a chronic under planer this was a tall order, but I have noticed since focusing on tumbling that that pressure seems to be more of an effect, or a by product of swinging left. Am I correct in thinking that tumbling and connection are...connected?

If your going to make a more vertical hand path (which is helpful to the tumble), you will probably feel as though your left arm is very close to your body. Obviously, Losing that pressure point would give a more horizontal hand path which is going to promote an open/laid off/under plane shaft.

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Wow that is freaky.

Played today with "jkgolf" and were talking about this very thing and I said I would ask at Brian's site. I am having trouble actually producing enough tumble.

Once you drop below plane can you tumble as a correction or is it too late?

What would produce maximum tumble?

- Depends on what is causing the under plane.

-Yes, but depends on how late coming down you are under.

- keeping the lead shoulder low and turned a bit longer with as vertical a hand path as possible coming down.

 

[spktho]

I think there are a few ways that have been discussed on how to achieve the tumble. Lindsey is awesome at explaining it. I think that once you are below plane, it will be difficult to get back on plane without a lot of effort.

Didn't mean to leave you out Kevin--you too do a great job at explaining it.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I will second the fact that Lindsey has a PHD in tumble. He and I go way back and we were talking about this 15 years ago. Except then he called it "the teeter totter effect" that good handpath causes. Its only been recently we figured out how its best accomplished.

 

[DCgolf]

Vertical hand path helps but does insure tumble. Sergio is the poster boy for vertical drop but it seems when he's "off" he drops below plane and tumbles too late. Second shot into 16 today looked like that a bit. Adam Scott great at it too. Those vertical hand paths look so much more in control of club head IMO...

 

[DCgolf]

- Depends on what is causing the under plane.

-Yes, but depends on how late coming down you are under.

- keeping the lead shoulder low and turned a bit longer with as vertical a hand path as possible coming down.

Garcia is the poster boy for this. But when he's off he does get under with vertical drop and late tumble. Rarely though. Adam Scott solid here too.

 

[DCgolf]

Sorry double dip there. Only meant to reply once!

 

[Curbanski]

he called it "the teeter totter effect" that good handpath causes.

Since most of the tumble chatter escapes me, would you, Lindsey Newman, go thru "the teeter totter effect" that good handpath causes?

Thank you!!!!!!

 

[Kevin Shields]

he called it "the teeter totter effect" that good handpath causes.

Since most of the tumble chatter escapes me, would you, Lindsey Newman, go thru "the teeter totter effect" that good handpath causes?

Thank you!!!!!!

Hands move inward..clubhead moves outward. Hands move outward..clubhead drops inward and under

 

[dbl]

Since most of the tumble chatter escapes me, would you, Lindsey Newman, go thru "the teeter totter effect" that good handpath causes?

See this thread and brian's video.
http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfin...ideo-below-plane-vsp-flying-wedge-tumble.html

4:09 outward hands, club sags (boo)
4:30 tumble...also 5:06-

 

[wulsy]

I agree. LN's posts are pure genius.

 

[wulsy]

Anyone care to comment on the connection between tumble and axis tilt?

 

[Kevin Shields]

All things equal the more axis tilt you have the less tumble you are able to generate, especially early axis tilt.......Doom

 

[wulsy]

would it be fair to say that you can, in fact MUST, use one to offset the other?

 

[Lindsey Newman]

he called it "the teeter totter effect" that good handpath causes.

Since most of the tumble chatter escapes me, would you, Lindsey Newman, go thru "the teeter totter effect" that good handpath causes?

Thank you!!!!!!

Check out this epic thread. Everything you could ask for.

13147-sergio-garcia-tumble.html

 

[Lindsey Newman]

would it be fair to say that you can, in fact MUST, use one to offset the other?

Anything is possible. Hand path is crucial, so if you're going to do anything you must be in control of that. Early tilting "can" bend the hand path outwardly as you near impact which can still back the shaft up and under. As Kevin said "DOOM"

 

[gmbtempe]

Anything is possible. Hand path is crucial, so if you're going to do anything you must be in control of that. Early tilting "can" bend the hand path outwardly as you near impact which can still back the shaft up and under. As Kevin said "DOOM"

sounds depressingly like my swing movements.

 

[mgranato]

Wow, the more I just read about this topic, the worse my swing gets.

Kevin or Lindsey, how many players have this hand path "naturally" versus how many have to really focus in on learning it? On a difficulty scale, how difficult is it to go from the too outward hand path to the more vertical handpath - generally speaking of course.