Tumbling and Connection

[Jared Willerson]

He still swings it 115+. That is an awful lot of speed for a shaft backed up, no?

 

[Kevin Shields]

He still swings it 115+. That is an awful lot of speed for a shaft backed up, no?

Shouldnt have anything to do with speed, just whether or not he can turn it over or not.

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Shouldnt have anything to do with speed, just whether or not he can turn it over or not.

I would doubt very seriously that the tumble would resonate on the long drive circuit. That being said, precision in - precision out.

 

[Jared Willerson]

Oh, I thought tumble equated to speed as it seems that a backed up shaft would have a slowing effect

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Oh, I thought tumble equated to speed as it seems that a backed up shaft would have a slowing effect

It absolutely could equate to more ball speed. I think of tumble in terms of efficiency. Many high handicappers have high club head speed with inefficient application (as you well know).

 

[wulsy]

Double tumble....hmm. I always believe that any shaft, that comes out of transition steep, changes things. Those coming from laid off after transition have some margin for error. In order to be optimal in use of the club, I always have felt the anything steep coming out of the transition requires 2 moves to impact (Carl Peterson) v.s. one (Price). Again, that's if you want minimal downward hit with forward lean, which to me is optimal. Like I have said before, you can take a steep shaft coming out of transition with a stronger grip and drive it, backing up the whole way through the ball to the left and be great.

When I watch his swing, I see a well timed backed up shaft with a decent pivot to control low point and probably 6* AoA. There is a reason he could not draw the ball at the Masters. It's obviously a world class move to hit backed up drag fades. I mean no disrespect by that either. His ball flight looks good to me. I have my preferences like anyone else and that ain't it.

What about Kaymer's right shoulder? Is that a shoulder tumble?

 

[Lindsey Newman]

What about Kaymer's right shoulder? Is that a shoulder tumble?

Ok, I see where your going with this. I think in terms of the club and hand path. I could see where he may be squaring the shaft a bit with his shoulder/pivot.

 

[ekennedy]

That would certainly explain the relatively steep angle of attack and the fact that Martin swings left as well as anyone in the world. There is absolutely nothing in his swing that screams "draw."

 

[Lindsey Newman]

That would certainly explain the relatively steep angle of attack and the fact that Martin swings left as well as anyone in the world. There is absolutely nothing in his swing that screams "draw."

Definitely effective

 

[oldpro]

That would certainly explain the relatively steep angle of attack and the fact that Martin swings left as well as anyone in the world. There is absolutely nothing in his swing that screams "draw."

It's exactly why Kaymer went into a slump after winning in Dubia by 8 shots and proclaiming he was going to add the draw to his game...he found out that goal required waaaay too much change. He looks decent now but he isn't as good as he was pre-draw attempt. I figure he'll be in his old A+ plane by the US Open.

 

[finncox]

Even though Tumble is touted as something to help fix Underplaners, isn't it also essentially a great cure for a back up the hips, club and hands out, back up the shaft, OTT'er?

More particularly, isn't the fix for a guy like that (me) to feel as if you stay closed for as long as possible and swing up to the "one last point" as Brian describes in his "Tumble and VSP" video? Can't that only really be acheived if you tumble it out to the ball with a more downward hand path, to essentially acheive the polar opposite of the OTT move?

 

[Lifter]

It's exactly why Kaymer went into a slump after winning in Dubia by 8 shots and proclaiming he was going to add the draw to his game...he found out that goal required waaaay too much change. He looks decent now but he isn't as good as he was pre-draw attempt. I figure he'll be in his old A+ plane by the US Open.

Excellent post. I agree.