Kevin Shields
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Ive seen ur swing, just keep hitting that power cut and disregard this info unless its to help a student. Doesnt apply to you at all.
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Ive seen ur swing, just keep hitting that power cut and disregard this info unless its to help a student. Doesnt apply to you at all.
Lindsey Newman
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Great point. Some of the greatest ball strikers of all time had an out/more horizontal/at the ball hand path with a strong grip. Most if not all favor a fade.
johnnymarlboro
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I feel like tumbling is one of these things that requires a warning label. It's been a popular topic around these parts, but it definitely doesn't seem like it's for everyone. It's been talked alot about how it's important, or desirable, but I don't think I've read much about the ball flights its associated with. I get the impression it fits more with a swing left fade or straight ball kind of pattern. Can you hit a draw using tumble? I have no idea. From what I've read, it's quite important for underplaners. But it seems like if you want to hit a draw without aiming off the property right then you've got to get it a little underplane. I just watched Softdraw 1.0 for the first time today, so all this is on my mind. Am I way off base here or is a softdraw type pattern and tumbling polar opposites? Would a guy like Kenny Perry possibly ruin his career trying to tumble?
Kevin Shields
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Way off base on all accounts and its probably the best way to draw it...using no face roll. Kenny Perry is a great tumbler. Soft draw is a good reminder that in some ways tumble can be looked at as getting the club from one side of the body to the other.
Kevin Shields
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Ive seen thousands of golf swings and ive seen too much a few times....nothing that cant be fixed by staying closed longer and getting the hips more forward and open.
johnnymarlboro
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Thank you Kevin, that is very helpful. I've always been a better visual learner, so trying to visualize some of these descriptions has been challenging for me.
I get tumble in my swing when I think of my hand path. When I do it right--or at least what I think is right--I feel as if my hands are moving diagonally (relative to a straight base plane line) from the top of my backswing past my left leg and then left, as if they are moving outside-in. My arms are much more vertical through impact, and my arm swing forces me to pivot to get my hips out of the way of my arms moving left. I try to "lift, drop, and rotate" in my swing. The main problem I have with my tumble is being patient enough to allow the club to drop onto the ball. When I do it right, I can draw it or fade it by setting up properly.
lia41985
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Love it!
Kevin Shields
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Keep it up and his head will be bigger than this
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Lindsey and Kevin,
In your opinion and based on what you've seen, when the left arm moves more horizontally on the DS, I've noticed a posture change as some players "come out of the shot." My question, is it the horizontal motion of the left arm (probably coupled with an early opening of the shoulders) that would cause that or is it more of a result of the player raising up through impact that flattens the left arm?
A closed counterfall tends to correct one or both, but it seems that the players that tumble beautifully actually lower their spine angle through impact.
Thoughts?
In your opinion and based on what you've seen, when the left arm moves more horizontally on the DS, I've noticed a posture change as some players "come out of the shot." My question, is it the horizontal motion of the left arm (probably coupled with an early opening of the shoulders) that would cause that or is it more of a result of the player raising up through impact that flattens the left arm?
A closed counterfall tends to correct one or both, but it seems that the players that tumble beautifully actually lower their spine angle through impact.
Thoughts?
Jared Willerson
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Is it the left arm FW that tumbles or the the right shoulder?
Kevin Shields
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LAFW with maybe some help from the right shoulder. Right shoulder too low can cause the reverse and an over committed right shoulder can cause a late reverse of the LAFW
Kevin Shields
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Result of something else. Its a correction move. If all you did was come out of it you'd miss the ball.
Kevin Shields
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The posture change is the hips humping forward to help back the club under. Not everyone does it though. DT has great body angles with his outward left arm
Matt Bryda
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Right shoulder tumble could be the effect of mometum from a more laid off club and the right elbow straightening.
Lindsey Newman
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Double tumble....hmm. I always believe that any shaft, that comes out of transition steep, changes things. Those coming from laid off after transition have some margin for error. In order to be optimal in use of the club, I always have felt the anything steep coming out of the transition requires 2 moves to impact (Carl Peterson) v.s. one (Price). Again, that's if you want minimal downward hit with forward lean, which to me is optimal. Like I have said before, you can take a steep shaft coming out of transition with a stronger grip and drive it, backing up the whole way through the ball to the left and be great.
When I watch his swing, I see a well timed backed up shaft with a decent pivot to control low point and probably 6* AoA. There is a reason he could not draw the ball at the Masters. It's obviously a world class move to hit backed up drag fades. I mean no disrespect by that either. His ball flight looks good to me. I have my preferences like anyone else and that ain't it.
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