Brian Manzella
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Video Answer from the back porch.....Tumble Drill + Aim primer
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"Concave"
Great video! Excellent comments on "tumble" that echo what Brian said here (3 minutes in):
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As Brian said in this new video, if you're a good player, it might be a great idea to make your downswing hand path less "concave." That might make your swing more Hogan- or Sergioesque. Also gotta make sure you don't "early extend" off the tush line, though.
It's also worth noting that there's an extremely popular method out there (supposedly based on Hogan and Snead) that loves loves loves extreme concave hand paths. It is a massive flaw and it's very disappointing that they don't admit that they made a huge mistake. Talk about incompatible!
Great video! Excellent comments on "tumble" that echo what Brian said here (3 minutes in):
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As Brian said in this new video, if you're a good player, it might be a great idea to make your downswing hand path less "concave." That might make your swing more Hogan- or Sergioesque. Also gotta make sure you don't "early extend" off the tush line, though.
It's also worth noting that there's an extremely popular method out there (supposedly based on Hogan and Snead) that loves loves loves extreme concave hand paths. It is a massive flaw and it's very disappointing that they don't admit that they made a huge mistake. Talk about incompatible!
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Kevin Shields
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Because if it does, it will realign by backing up under
This has been a huge day of learning for me topped off by this vid. Lindsay's quote from poker life's thread and your thought about 'the fear of having the club feel much more open later in the ds and now this. Huge for me. I even have some low no divot draws to show for it.
By the way, "backing up under" means that just before impact, the clubhead approaches from inside the hands (bad) rather than outside the hands (good).
This is a great question! There's definitely a correlation between "reverse tumble" and losing the tush line. Not sure if there are rare exceptions, though.
Backing the shaft up is kind of a "reverse tumble" nearing impact. The "good" reverse tumble happens during or right after transition.
Without losing the tush line, I think a way that the shaft could be backed up is by standing up the body through impact and standing the handle up through impact. At least that's what I do/did.
Interesting. Hard for me to see how someone can stand up the body without coming off the tush line. Maybe it's possible, though!
Great video Brian! With what I learned from my lesson with you on the trackman I've gone from a 10 to a 4hcp and hope to get it lower still with all the good 1.68 info you are releasing.Hope to come watch the aggies and tigers in death valley next year and see you again too.Thanks again for all you do!
Plagued by consistent toed shots, standing closer to the ball will allow it. It's pretty hard on the back too.
lia41985
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I still have a little more than a minute and a half left to watch in this video but I just wanted to say this might be your best video yet.
Love the setting. Love the explanation. You communicated at a great pace (not too fast or slow) and you showed what needs to occur. You explained feels, too.
Great job, sir.
This would be a great video for someone who "over-carried" then started to over do the vertical hand path to set up their tumble.
That happened to me. First it manifested itself with more frequently occurring toe hooks. Those turned into blocks. Perhaps unsurprisingly, my body figured out that the hooks occurred even with very open hips because the hand path was still too vertical. The compensation: my body started to "brake" too soon and I lost extension too early so that my hand path could get out, but in a too late fashion that resulted in some thinned-pushes.
Thanks again for this. Back to watching the ending 90 seconds or so...
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The last bit was just as good if not better. Very Hogan-esque sort of setup procedure. Great way to keep the ball from straying too far back into a "functionally closed" stance.
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lia41985
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Would seemingly necessitate relatively more side bend. Ouch, indeed.
You need to feel like the club--especially the club head--is falling behind and away from you until about half way down in the downswing. Then bring the clubhead around to the ball by pulling your hands in. It is the wierdest feeling for us who are too steep out of transition and it feels like it takes forever to get the club around to impact.
Kevin or Lindsey said a while ago that the cub swing should feel circular. Not just circular up and down but also somewhat around your body. When you get the more correct forces working on the club, the body pivot really changes for the better.
If am reading your question right, you can still tumble from steep but you are likely to either stick it in the ground or backup out of it as Brian demonstrates. Don't ask me how I know.
I tried steep to steep and am now figuring out how aweful it was. This shallowing move feels reeeeeaaaaalllly open for me and I would guess you too.
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