VIDEO: Fred Couples' Tour Pitch

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I always thought one needs to decelrate through impact to check the ball. Imagine, when playing pool, what would you do if you need to back up the ball after hitting another ball. You strike the ball and immediately pull the cue back.

I know what I should do, but I can't do it. I was waiting for Brian to do a little video segment.
 
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I have never heard a pro say you decelerate thru a chip or pitch. Hitting down on the ball is what creates the spin. You guys also aren't using the same sharp grooves those guys are.

As for pool, you hit below the equator of the ball to create backspin.
 
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"You strike the ball and immediately pull the cue back."
The billiard player must pull the cue back quickly to avoid the table scratch when the cue ball draws back. The strike is accelerating and downward.
 
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quote:Originally posted by wanole

decelerate?
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In a bread and butter TGM pitch shot (e.g. the one Brian demos in the Confessions of a Former Flipper video), you deliberately mash the ball into the ground, obliterating the plane line. You don't try to bend that left arm to take some power out like Freddie does here. You never try to put on the breaks. The clubhead stops because it ran out of gas.
 
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quote:Originally posted by wanole

I have never heard a pro say you decelerate thru a chip or pitch. Hitting down on the ball is what creates the spin. You guys also aren't using the same sharp grooves those guys are.

As for pool, you hit below the equator of the ball to create backspin.
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A standard TGM pitch does indeed impart more spin onto the ball. However, because the ball compresses so much more, it lands on the green with too much momentum and so it doesn't check as much. A "tour pitch" lands with less spin, but the ball also has less momentum, with the end result that it stops quicker.
 
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quote:Originally posted by mrodock

Well done tongzilla. It is much appreciated.

Matt
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Thanks Matt! I was looking forward to more discussion on the finer points of the tour pitch.
Brian, what do you think?
 
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Freddie had an article is one of the golf mags probably early 90's where he talked about his chip/pitch procedure. It was more of a cupped wrist half pitch that he always tried to carry about 50% to the hole regardless of the club(of course 9i might be 15yd carry 15yd roll and SW might be 8 and 8) but it was definitely in contrast to the land it on a spot 2yds on the green and let it roll procedure that most pros advocate.
 
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wanole

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Tong,

that isn't decelerating though. My thought of decelerating is slowing your swing down to impact which leads to flipping. Of course the club is going to decel when it hits the ground, that's natural, but by then the ball is gone.

Are you also saying that those pitches Tiger does have little spin? That ball has to be spinning like crazy to stop like it does on the 2nd or 3rd hop. I'd like to see the grooves of those guys wedges.
 
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quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

quote:Originally posted by mrodock

Well done tongzilla. It is much appreciated.

Matt
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Thanks Matt! I was looking forward to more discussion on the finer points of the tour pitch.
Brian, what do you think?
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Learned this one from NAT . . . hit pitches hard but soft by REDUCING THE RADIUS ala Seve. Hit the pitch with a flat left wrist bent right wrist . . . BUT A BENT LEFT ARM thereby reducing the radius and power.
 
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That pitch Couples is hitting there isn't the "tour" pitch that makes people go "Aw." The shot that does that is the one that bounces twice and then stops on a dime. The only way you can get a ball to do that is with spin.
 
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quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

Lots of talk about what the Tour Pitch is, how to execute it, etc.

Here's a footage during the second round of the 2006 Masters.

Notice how he tries to decelerate through Impact and how he tucks his left arm in at the follow through. But impact alignments are still perfect -- flat left wrist, straight left arm.

http://www.glorat.net/gallery/v/golf2005/proswings/FredCouplesTourPitch.wmv.html
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Seve style
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/golfchannel/academylive/acadlive_091702_300k.asx?texttype=plain
 
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