Wally Armstrong best teacher ever?

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EdZ

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Brian - what do you think of his teaching?

One of the best instructors I've seen, and honestly, I now 'get' the 'inside back corner with an OPEN clubface' in 'feel' - and am hitting it like Hogan and Tiger.

I know you are a good teacher, but IMO this guy is up at the top of the list.

Hogan had it right, and Wally can show you why and give you the 'feel' of a proper swing.

Regardless of if you agree with his theory - he knows what the CLUB needs to do in a good swing - and that is the bottom line - know what the club should do according to physics, and 'support the swinging on plane force'

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Support the rock on a string - lag
Inside back corner with an open clubface


pretty simple really..... ;)[8D]
 
Redgoat

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EdZ,

Please take this the right way. Is he the best instructor ever because he agrees with you? Or, because he gets the best results?

Is it possible that there are quite a few great instructors with different methodology and techniques and finding the right one for the individual should be the goal.

Does anyone really care who the best is other than the instructors?

Redgoat
 
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EdZ

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I'm not trying to put Brian down at all, and I'm sorry that many of you seem to think that. Where in this post did I mention anything about Brian?

Redgoat, I'd have to go with the 'best results' option.... I assume you are familiar with his approach?
 
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MizunoJoe

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EdZ,

I bought Wally Armstrong's tape years ago at some discount store. On the tape, he never mentions hitting the inside of the ball with an open clubface. This is the tape which ends with Armstrong swinging a closed umbrella, which opens because he pulls the club down along the shaft line. He never mentions this though, he just does it without any comment. At any rate where did you hear Armstrong talk about inside of ball and open clubface?
 
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FanofHogan

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Anytime I watch the movie "Tin Cup" during the scene where Costner is wearing all the devices in order to straighten out his swing I always think about Wally. Thank goodness I dont watch that movie very often.
 
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EDz...I was never that impressed with Armstrong in his Infomercial days...I had seen way worse, however.

Redgoat: I think who is the best and who is CONSIDERED to be the best is VERY VERY important, because THEY set the 'agenda' and can influence the game of golf...good or bad.

Guys like this in my golfing lifetime:

1970-1975 Jim Flick (square-to-square days)-had the WHOLE COUNTRY reverse pivoting and driving the knees......YUK.....set golf back 50 years.

1975-1981 Bob Toski- a disaster that didn't even understand BALL FLIGHT and RUINED a generation of PGA Pros.

1981-1986 Jimmy Ballard- Fixed Flick's and Toski's mistakes but didn't understand lag or plane...& made everyone forget that the ARMS swing from the shoulder sockets (overall a plus though, after the previous two).

1986-1989 Hank Haney- Made everyone reconsider how upright they were swinging, but made EVERYONE who listened swing too flat and take it back too straight.

1990-1997 David Leadbetter- Took a little O'Grady/ a lil' Ritson /and some Jimmy Ballard and created a swing that IF YOU ACUALLY DID IT, you looked like Ian baker-Finch after he went bad (overall a big minus because he ruined 300 talented players and another generation of teachers).

1997-2001 Butch Harmon- In his attempt to fix Tiger (remember folks, this was the Tiger who won the '97 masters by 456 shots) he mismatched hitting and swinging, fading and drawing and took a beautiful long swing and made it a short mess (then Mark O'Meara ruined him some more)....

Ya see folks..I can out teach all of the above with my eyes closed. ANYONE might help a TOUR PLAYER, but last year one of my students WON a MILLION DOLLAR Tournament, I fixed EVERY SLICER I SAW, fixed THREE Leadbetter academy rejects, taught several teachers to teach and started this website (1000+members)...If I get the mike like the above, I WILL CHANGE THE GAME...these guys have RUN IT INTO THE GROUND!!!!!

Ben Doyle was right when after hearing two days of "Top" teachers at the 1988 PGA TEaching Summit, he said "Golf is Dying...."

I really am trying to save it....

really :)
 
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hue

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Brian: You left out Jim McLean . He caused a lot of back problems with his X factor advice. I notice that you have had a go at undoing this in your videos.
 
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quote:Originally posted by brianman

EDz...I was never that impressed with Armstrong in his Infomercial days...I had seen way worse, however.

Redgoat: I think who is the best and who is CONSIDERED to be the best is VERY VERY important, because THEY set the 'agenda' and can influence the game of golf...good or bad.

Guys like this in my golfing lifetime:

1970-1975 Jim Flick (square-to-square days)-had the WHOLE COUNTRY reverse pivoting and driving the knees......YUK.....set golf back 50 years.

1975-1981 Bob Toski- a disaster that didn't even understand BALL FLIGHT and RUINED a generation of PGA Pros.

1981-1986 Jimmy Ballard- Fixed Flick's and Toski's mistakes but didn't understand lag or plane...& made everyone forget that the ARMS swing from the shoulder sockets (overall a plus though, after the previous two).

1986-1989 Hank Haney- Made everyone reconsider how upright they were swinging, but made EVERYONE who listened swing too flat and take it back too straight.

1990-1997 David Leadbetter- Took a little O'Grady/ a lil' Ritson /and some Jimmy Ballard and created a swing that IF YOU ACUALLY DID IT, you looked like Ian baker-Finch after he went bad (overall a big minus because he ruined 300 talented players and another generation of teachers).

1997-2001 Butch Harmon- In his attempt to fix Tiger (remember folks, this was the Tiger who won the '97 masters by 456 shots) he mismatched hitting and swinging, fading and drawing and took a beautiful long swing and made it a short mess (then Mark O'Meara ruined him some more)....

Ya see folks..I can out teach all of the above with my eyes closed. ANYONE might help a TOUR PLAYER, but last year one of my students WON a MILLION DOLLAR Tournament, I fixed EVERY SLICER I SAW, fixed THREE Leadbetter academy rejects, taught several teachers to teach and started this website (1000+members)...If I get the mike like the above, I WILL CHANGE THE GAME...these guys have RUN IT INTO THE GROUND!!!!!

Ben Doyle was right when after hearing two days of "Top" teachers at the 1988 PGA TEaching Summit, he said "Golf is Dying...."

I really am trying to save it....

really :)
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And despite what you or others on this board may think, I absolutely applaud you for it Brian. I agree very much that being a 'famous' teacher, like most things in life, isn't about what you know, which is sad on so many levels.

I would also agree that Wally's earlier stuff wasn't anything great, but his recent work is - I'd have to give the majority of credit to Hogan - no one else has ever had it down so well - and honestly, aside from Knudson (who I'd guess learned mostly from Hogan), Hogan also KNEW HOW to teach a great swing very simply - the straps, balance, proper grip and setup.

I have no doubt that Brian is indeed one of the best teachers to teach the game - why do I know this?

Because I understand the golf swing (see the EdZ drills)

When you understand it, all of the info over the years falls into place. The 'reason' for all of the pieces fitting together they way they do (and don't) - makes sense - why? Because physics is physics. Supporting the on plane swinging force. Homer knew this well. Brian knows this well. And most of the instructors on Brian's list above didn't understand the priority that support of the swinging on plane force should have - they looked to 'moves' of the body, and not WHAT THE CLUB MUST DO.

Gotta love physics....gotta respect physics.

There are multiple ways to support the on plane swinging force, but you must understand that force before you can support it YOUR way.

Thanks for helping the game Brian, I appreciate it.

Ed Zilavy
 
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quote: why do I know this?

Because I understand the golf swing (see the EdZ drills)

Because physics is physics. Supporting the on plane swinging force.


Thanks for helping the game Brian, I appreciate it.

Ed Zilavy
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Kinda ate your Wheaties this morning huh Ed? A well done self promotion if there ever was one. ;)

I'm glad you enjoy it so much.
 
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drewitgolf

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Instructors that stick with Mr. Kelley's ideas and are creative as well as good communicators should all be at the top of the list. People like Brian must stay committed, the golf world will eventually change.
 
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EdZ

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Agreed drewitgolf..... Homer understood physics, and physics will always be the teacher of every student..... the trick is to show students how to agree with physics, and no one understood that better than Homer.
 
Redgoat

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Brian,

I am not a Butch appologist but...

quote:1997-2001 Butch Harmon- In his attempt to fix Tiger (remember folks, this was the Tiger who won the '97 masters by 456 shots) he mismatched hitting and swinging, fading and drawing and took a beautiful long swing and made it a short mess....
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are you serious?
Eight majors later, 40 some wins, #1 in the world, I hope I can make my students a mess like that.

Redgoat
 
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ej20

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You can analyse Tigers swing to death but only he will know if his swing was better before or after Butch.He's the one in the heat of battle.

Tiger,if you're lurking out there,give us a sign :)
 
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