Watching Tiger @ Memorial Skins game today

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spktho said:
Swinging more left?

As Brian says, he could still strengthen his grip. His clubface still looks pretty open at the top and in the downswing. Also looks like the ball position with his driver is more toward the middle--he could definitely move it way more forward.
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Not sure if it's more left or not but it's definitely more "up" then "left" after impact but that doesn't necessarily mean it's less left. Hope that doesn't confuse u.

It's hard to figure out where ball position is on TV because of camera angle and/or where Tiger is aiming. I think i know what you are talking about but i think it's more of a camera angle.
 
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Richie3Jack said:
Why would you add loft to your driver and then try to hit the ball more on the upswing?

I think that swing looks pretty good and much better. Not anywhere near as laid off, then dipping into the ball. The grip is still my main concern for him though. That has to change IMO or he'll continue to hit too many drives dead right.

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Ya i don't know, i think if he actually said that it shows how little he really understands the "new" driver swing to hit on the upswing. And yes all things being equal more loft = more spin.
 
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send the dinner over, old news. He just has a issue with the ball forward more.
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Oh my WOW!

Old Tom, Young Tom, Bobby Jones, Sam Snead, Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson and Ben Hogan just turned over in their graves!!!!

and...

anybody that ever hit a golf ball more than 240yards with an ounce of athleticism in their body and ever played any other sport in their lives.

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He sure sprayed it around a good bit today.

Number of drives over 300 yards today? 1. Most of them were in the 280 range. Hit a lot of woods off the tees, but not many fairways (50%).

I hope he continues to improve.

50% Fairways hit
55% GIR
37.5" Proximity (Field: 30")
1.8 Putts per GIR
75% Up and down
 
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Brian Manzella said:
You guys are something....

I'll tell you what--if he starts to lean his torso left at the top of his swing, I'll give you a free dinner to Ruth's Chris.

:rolleyes:
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Still not sure what this "lean left" stuff actually means...centered is how I roll.
I'm up for some filet oscar with you pro.;)
 
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Kevin Shields said:
What does this mean?
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I suspect that it is directed to Brian's initial comments a few weeks back when Richie suggested that Tiger would end up working with Foley. Brian's response was initially "No Chance", last I looked this comment was removed from the thread. Since that initial comment Brian has reconsidered and had Foley as the odds on favorite to end up as Tiger's coach.

Opps, just finished reading the rest of the thread (which I should have done prior to posting). Looks like things are being discussed
 
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Ringer said:
To reduce spin but still keep the trajectory up.
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If that is what he's trying to do, that may be his goal, but it won't be his outcome. When you add loft, you add spin and launch. When you "hit up" you add launch, without much (if any) change in spin. If he wants higher launch without adding spin, he has to do it with what has the biggest effect on increasing his launch - angle of attack. The golden ticket is to increase AoA while decrease head loft - higher launch with less spin.

Last year Tiger was 16th from the bottom in launch angle and in the top 35 for highest spin rates. By comparison, Phil's numbers are nearly the complete opposite and is using very little loft with an increased AoA this year. Optimized vs not. ;)
 
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Ringer said:
To reduce spin but still keep the trajectory up.
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i'm not trying to be argumentative but this is wrong. All things being equal more loft = more spin period if using the same driver/shaft/ball/cg of head/etc.

Also, if you are hitting the ball on the UP swing you are adding dynamic loft which is why you can use a driver head with anywhere from 6-8* of loft and still launch it 12* because you take advantage of the low loft on the head which will give you less spin.

This is kinda all "long driving 101." The "new" driver swing on tour is nothing more than a slightly modified long driver swing with shorter shaft and some more loft.
 
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Mad Hatter said:
From an article on foxsports.com:

“I can't make that swing anymore. I don't have the speed,” he said.

“I'm getting older.”
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I thought the strength training Tiger has done for the past 12 years was supposed to help him retain his clubhead speed as he got older.
 
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Tiger Woods driving distance by year:

2010: 282.9
2009: 298.4
2008: 294.3
2007: 302.4
2006: 306.4
2005: 316.1
2004: 301.9
2003: 299.5
2002: 293.3
2001: 297.6
2000: 298.0
1999: 293.1
1998: 296.3
1997: 294.8
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
i'm not trying to be argumentative but this is wrong. All things being equal more loft = more spin period if using the same driver/shaft/ball/cg of head/etc.

Also, if you are hitting the ball on the UP swing you are adding dynamic loft which is why you can use a driver head with anywhere from 6-8* of loft and still launch it 12* because you take advantage of the low loft on the head which will give you less spin.

This is kinda all "long driving 101." The "new" driver swing on tour is nothing more than a slightly modified long driver swing with shorter shaft and some more loft.
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All things are not equal Jim.

The same forces at work to create sidespin are at work to create backspin. Therefor path (angle of descent) relative to the clubface causes backsping. You hit down and ball has more backspin. You hit up, the ball has less backspin.

Adding loft means you also have to decrease the angle of descent and perhaps even catch it on the ascent in order to reduce spin. The effect is that you hit it higher though since the effective loft is greater.

I'm sorry, but loft does not equate to spin. PATH as we know equates to spin. Hitting "up" will reduce it.
 
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jeffgladchun said:
Tiger Woods driving distance by year:

2010: 282.9
2009: 298.4
2008: 294.3
2007: 302.4
2006: 306.4
2005: 316.1
2004: 301.9
2003: 299.5
2002: 293.3
2001: 297.6
2000: 298.0
1999: 293.1
1998: 296.3
1997: 294.8
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Something else that bothers me about how Tiger thinks he'll hit it shorter with a steel shaft. Too many people are caught up in the clubhead speed. With a heavier shaft that means a greater mass. Just because his swing speed would slow down a notch doesn't mean his ball speed will.
 
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Ringer said:
All things are not equal Jim.

The same forces at work to create sidespin are at work to create backspin. Therefor path (angle of descent) relative to the clubface causes backsping. You hit down and ball has more backspin. You hit up, the ball has less backspin.

Adding loft means you also have to decrease the angle of descent and perhaps even catch it on the ascent in order to reduce spin. The effect is that you hit it higher though since the effective loft is greater.

I'm sorry, but loft does not equate to spin. PATH as we know equates to spin. Hitting "up" will reduce it.
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If Tiger spoke to ANY equipment manufacturer on Tour and said, I'm spinning my driver too much, NONE of them would suggest more loft. If he's going to change his angle of attack then that's something else but to state that if you put a more lofted driver in his hands he is going to swing more up is flat wrong.
 
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Ringer said:
All things are not equal Jim.

The same forces at work to create sidespin are at work to create backspin. Therefor path (angle of descent) relative to the clubface causes backsping. You hit down and ball has more backspin. You hit up, the ball has less backspin.

Adding loft means you also have to decrease the angle of descent and perhaps even catch it on the ascent in order to reduce spin. The effect is that you hit it higher though since the effective loft is greater.

I'm sorry, but loft does not equate to spin. PATH as we know equates to spin. Hitting "up" will reduce it.
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Respectfully, there are lots of resources that thoroughly explain why this is incorrect.
 
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