What can you say about this swing from these #s?

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A friend of mine, height 2m 13cm = 7 foot tall, has 5" longer and also a few degrees upright (don't know how many degrees). He was fitted by Ping in their own fitting centre. He came to me and said he's hitting it short as hell, could I help him. He was releasing so early in the downswing it was crazy and his KC was totally messed up. Any wonder, given taht the swingweight was off the scale. OK, he's a big guy, strong as well, ex pro basketball player, great feel and coordination. But ho-one can make a good golf swing with clubs that heavy. Just my 2 eurocents about fitting centres.

it's only 5"" more shaft so when using steel around 10 gram more weight, I would not call that heavy. Swingweight is only (one) way of measuring the balance of the club and trying to create some D0 with either very short clubs or very long clubs is not a good idea.

Want to know some more : Tricking the Swingweight Scale? or maybe Design Notes - Heft: swingweight and MOI p1
 
Hey Frans, are you really in France? If so where? Are you a fitter? Maybe I could send him to you to get fitted, as you seem to be well-informed. I am in Germany.
 
Took the green dot 2.25* up to the range this morning. After all this I think the I do need that much upright because I was hitting the sweet spot almost every time. I think the shaft couldn't keep up though because the ball flight was a high, a mean really high 5-10 yard fade. I think I may try to go find one of those Mizuno shaft optimizer and get this green dot reshafted into something stiffer.

Since so many on here don't like the lie board is there any way to tell from Trackman what lie might be needed or just leave the Trackman for Drivers and go with the old tried and true divot/ball flight at the range with a trained set of eyes? I've been away from the game for a while and technology seems to be everywhere, clothes, balls, shafts, drivers, and on, but lie angles and iron fitting nothing?

You are perfectly fine to do whatever you want. I just want to make it clear that my issue with upright lie angles is that over time they will most likely not improve your swing mechanics and will instead make your swing mechanics worse and that over time, your mis-hits are likely to still be off the toe because the upright lie angles are more or less a band-aid. Again, perfectly fine to do whatever you feel is right for you. Don't worry, I won't think less of you :) But, I do want to make it clear that one can certainly start finding the sweetspot at first once they get the more upright clubs, but *long-term* it's hazardous for most golfers.

I really like the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer. Although I used it on actual grass. I've been told there have been some issues with using it on a mat. So I would probably see if there's somebody who has it and has a grass range.

Lie angles with Trackman can be told to a degree. If your swing path and face relationship means you should hit a fade, but your ball has a draw/hook spin axis, then you most likely hit the shot off the toe. But since you have a swing that should produce a draw, it may be more difficult to tell what the lie angle is doing because the ball should have a draw spin-axis anyway. And if you have a low smash factor, that could be a sign of not hitting the sweetspot properly.






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Then there's the other way of fitting. Goes something like this.

I'm hitting balls today, and a golf buddy I haven't seen in a couple of years shows up.
I had already hit 150 balls, and was warmed up. We chat and he shows me the clubs
he got a while back. He is a 2 handicap. They are Taylormade R9's with graphite shafts,
NV MLTi 85S, 1 up. He hands me the 7 iron. I pure about 10 in a row. Effortless. He said it was a hell of a note, that I was hitting them better than he was. This shaft had none of the whippiness I was expecting.

Think this will be a good way to start the season. He's sending the info on where he got them. Seller has some sort of connection to Taylormade. The clubs come direct from the factory.

Works for me.
 
Then there's the other way of fitting. Goes something like this.

I'm hitting balls today, and a golf buddy I haven't seen in a couple of years shows up.
I had already hit 150 balls, and was warmed up. We chat and he shows me the clubs
he got a while back. He is a 2 handicap. They are Taylormade R9's with graphite shafts,
NV MLTi 85S, 1 up. He hands me the 7 iron. I pure about 10 in a row. Effortless. He said it was a hell of a note, that I was hitting them better than he was. This shaft had none of the whippiness I was expecting.

Think this will be a good way to start the season. He's sending the info on where he got them. Seller has some sort of connection to Taylormade. The clubs come direct from the factory.

Works for me.

Steve - you must know by now that you will ALWAYS hit your friend's shiny new clubs better than you know how. It's the law.

Unfortunately, it's also a law that, if you splash the cash to make them your own, one of your friends will come along and hit your new clubs better than you know how.

And in 2 weeks time, or 4 rounds, whichever shall first occur, all bets are off.
 
Hah! Probably correct. I'm already doing my research and waiting for my infatuation to recede. Did open my eyes to graphite shafts in irons, which I really had never considered.
 
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