What does "underplane" really mean?

[Kevin Shields]

My feeling, of course, is hands under the plane - clubHEAD over the plane. Left arm angles way in so i could feel that i could stick the butt end in my right thigh if i wanted too. Hand path is crucial.

 

[Guitar Hero]

My feeling, of course, is hands under the plane - clubHEAD over the plane. Left arm angles way in so i could feel that i could stick the butt end in my right thigh if i wanted too. Hand path is crucial.

Kevin,

I thought under plane was the shaft below the elbow plane from release into impact. Let me know what you are using for a reference for under plane. I do know that if the sweet spot is out of balance during the transition it can cause the shaft to go below the elbow plane on the down swing.

Thanks,
John

 

[Kevin Shields]

Yes, i agree. But....alot of people have that look at release point and do not hit the ground before the ball, which would happen every time if the clubhead were truly below the plane. They make the adjustment. So if you hit the ball first, you cant really be under the plane, right? So to take some of the confusion out for me, i define it to myself as any time the clubhead gets behind the path of the hands.

 

[Guitar Hero]

Yes, i agree. But....alot of people have that look at release point and do not hit the ground before the ball, which would happen every time if the clubhead were truly below the plane. They make the adjustment. So if you hit the ball first, you cant really be under the plane, right? So to take some of the confusion out for me, i define it to myself as any time the clubhead gets behind the path of the hands.

Thanks

 

[Kevin Shields]

Kevin,

I thought under plane was the shaft below the elbow plane from release into impact. Let me know what you are using for a reference for under plane. I do know that if the sweet spot is out of balance during the transition it can cause the shaft to go below the elbow plane on the down swing.

Thanks,
John

Id like to know more about sweetspot balance , as do many others. If we are talking about the same thing it has been the overwhelming factor to curing me

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Surprisingly, lot of "underplaners" do not actually need to get steeper.

agreed

They need to:

1) get a weaker grip (if it's not too weak already) and a more open clubface.

lol...let me know how that works out for you

2) learn how to get the clubhead going left immediately after low point.

this won't do anything

 

[holeout]

I think underplane is kind of like a leakage hooker without the leakage. They swing out to the right, come in shallow, and drag the handle too much through impact. They may add a bit of flip, but usually it's far too late.

Am I close? This is what it felt like to me when I was underplane.

 

[birdie_man]

I think I see where Leo's going with that. (tongzilla)

I can relate, that is.

I did all the path stuff first. (out-to-in)

And- as Brian has explained numerous times..........I DID get shanks when I tried to adjust the face more open.

(Brian: "You fix the face first for a slicer but for a hooker you fix the path first.")

So granted, I did do the path stuff first...........and it helped.......but it got me to a point and then I opened up the clubface.

And set myself freeeeee! (of BPS and hooks)

Took a long time before I could do it without getting insta-shanks though.

I actually was hitting a bunch of toed shots on the range one day before a round.

Figured it would be a good time to try a bent left wrist in backswing. (woulda been a good time to try about anything)

(I think) Between me changing something in my posture/balance at address and "toss"ing it more it finally clicked, Thank God. (this was just after Brian was uncovered his D Plane "don't lean the shaft too far forward" stuff)

I guess just as an open clubface slicer will shank it trying to lean the shaft forward too much, a BPS-recoverer will often do the same after opening a too closed clubface.

Yes?

Using the same underplane downswing move with a new, more open clubface (i.e. more under the sweetspot) usually made me prone to shanks, I think. (Brian has talked about it before- "working under the sweetspot late in the downswing")

But, that day, I hit a really nice fade for the rest of the day. The shanks mostly stayed away. Until I went to hit a flop shot, interestingly enough. ("under the sweetspot downswing move")

And then overdid it. (over the next few weeks)

Currently working my way "back to the middle of The Matrix"...

 

[wdking]

My feeling, of course, is hands under the plane - clubHEAD over the plane. Left arm angles way in so i could feel that i could stick the butt end in my right thigh if i wanted too. Hand path is crucial.

Hi Kevin:
I guess you "hold" the hands back, and let the pivot transport 'em. I worked on that with Brian. The left arm angled way in...coming from a turned shoulder plane? And stick butt of club in your right thigh...got any photos?
Thanks

 

[Brian Manzella]

da Plane, da Plane...RM, rip

Under Plane: The golf club is always on plane. Whether you consider the shaft as the plane, or the line from the grip cap to the sweetspot as the plane, they are always somewhere, so "you" are always "on" plane.

When someone says someone is "under plane" they mean they are BELOW the plane they THOUGHT they should have been on.

Sometimes, all you have to do to get "below plane", is swing too far to the right.

And, if you stay below plane plane, you'd better have some really back ball position—or lots of hip slide—or you will miss the ball and run into earth first.

Unless you are on a tee.

 

[goley]

I guess thats why it is so easy to hook the bejezus out of a driver .... with a high tee you can really get underplane and watch out hook city. With an iron you better make some kind of adjustment or you will hit the ground as Brian mentioned above, so i guess its alot easier to get underplane with a driver?

 

[wdking]

Are we trying to dig to China?

Under Plane: The golf club is always on plane. Whether you consider the shaft as the plane, or the line from the grip cap to the sweetspot as the plane, they are always somewhere, so "you" are always "on" plane.

When someone says someone is "under plane" they mean they are BELOW the plane they THOUGHT they should have been on.

Sometimes, all you have to do to get "below plane", is swing too far to the right.

And, if you stay below plane plane, you'd better have some really back ball position—or lots of hip slide—or you will miss the ball and run into earth first.

Unless you are on a tee.

Hi Brian:
Do you think we are wasting our time and effort focusing on this? Or do you have the simple explanation on what we should worry about?
Thanks