Why I don't teach a "Method," but I have a Method.

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What most people are forgetting when they talk about "method" teachers is that the vast majority of people that are getting lessons are weekend warriors. These people don't need top quality instruction, they just need a little information about how to swing better, which any of the methods can provide. The only time when the rest matters is for professionals, elite amateurs, and amateurs who are golf nuts. The people that need/want absolute top quality, science backed instruction is a relatively small percentage of the pie. The method teachers are helpful for most of their clients.
 

Brian Manzella

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Respectfully...

What most people are forgetting when they talk about "method" teachers is that the vast majority of people that are getting lessons are weekend warriors. These people don't need top quality instruction, they just need a little information about how to swing better, which any of the methods can provide. The only time when the rest matters is for professionals, elite amateurs, and amateurs who are golf nuts. The people that need/want absolute top quality, science backed instruction is a relatively small percentage of the pie. The method teachers are helpful for most of their clients.

I completely, totally disagree.
 

Kevin Shields

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I actually think it's closer to the other way around. The elite player can overcome lesser instruction due to skill. The poor player truly needs someone in the know for a quality fix.
 

lia41985

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What most people are forgetting when they talk about "method" teachers is that the vast majority of people that are getting lessons are weekend warriors. These people don't need top quality instruction, they just need a little information about how to swing better, which any of the methods can provide. The only time when the rest matters is for professionals, elite amateurs, and amateurs who are golf nuts. The people that need/want absolute top quality, science backed instruction is a relatively small percentage of the pie. The method teachers are helpful for most of their clients.
Every single time I read one of your posts I come to the same conclusion: you are wrong.
 

Steve Khatib

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I actually think it's closer to the other way around. The elite player can overcome lesser instruction due to skill. The poor player truly needs someone in the know for a quality fix.


Tiger can teach himself or inspite of his instructors funky method can still win a major. Mrs Fabersham needs a golf-like motion really badly and methods do not provide that.

My pet hate is people that say about very poor instructors :'' Oh his a good teacher for begginers and higher handicappers" Absolute rubbish! They are the poor souls that need the best instructors to help devise a pattern that is workable for them.
 
Mrs Fabersham needs a golf-like motion really badly and methods do not provide that.

What do you think method teachers are teaching? You talk as if their method can't even hit a ball decently. BTW when I say "method" teaching I mean what Brian would call "pop golf instruction". It may not be perfect, but it will help someone who has a bad swing.
 
Every single time I read one of your posts I come to the same conclusion: you are wrong.

Every single time I read your posts, I wonder why you don't explain anything you disagree with, rather than just saying you don't like it. I don't care if you don't agree, so if you respond to my posts, at least bring something to the table.
 

Steve Khatib

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What do you think method teachers are teaching? You talk as if their method can't even hit a ball decently. BTW when I say "method" teaching I mean what Brian would call "pop golf instruction". It may not be perfect, but it will help someone who has a bad swing.

They are teaching for example: flat arm swing steep shoulders = what most are allready doing that doesnt work for them. What has justifying a method got to do with adhering to the principle of golf.

Lets ask Brian: What does he mean or how does he define a method? Is it pop instruction or more?
 
They are teaching for example: flat arm swing steep shoulders = what most are allready doing that doesnt work for them. What has justifying a method got to do with adhering to the principle of golf.

Lets ask Brian: What does he mean or how does he define a method? Is it pop instruction or more?

Whatever method it is, it might not be ideal for the individual(as per the approach Manzella takes), but it is still generally helpful for someone trying to improve a little for their once a week game.
 

Brian Manzella

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Real World.

"The real fun in golf is improving." —William Ben Hogan

Lets look at some method teacher's methods...

I watched a guy give 10,000 identical lessons. His name—Jimmy Self.

From 1978 to 1998, he gave more lessons than anyone else on earth. No problem.

Mr. Jimmy gave everyone the exact same lesson, based on the exact same pattern.

The pattern was a "tripod" type centered motionless head, with a full sweep release and address hands at impact.

Brutal.

Nakia Davis' right forearm was parallel to the ground pre-impact she had so much throwaway.

Jimmy told every one they sliced it because they hands were too far forward.

Did golfers improve?

Way more than half did.

Why?

"The easiest thing to do in golf, is make a hacker a better hacker."

And, as bad as the pattern was, it was an improvement for many really bad golfers, and overly inside-out good players.

So what?

So this:

There is NO REASON for golf instruction to be as bad as it is.

Too many wacky patterns. Too many buildings filled with "line drawers." To many club pros trying to teach the "bend over, low hands, lawnmower backswing, over the top, push position elbow" pattern.

I could go on.

I made golfers better in 1982, but there are lessons I gave in 2002 I'd like to do again.

I really believe in my "multi-pattern, REAL science based" approach.

And, I promise to keep learning, and keep teaching.

The Brian Manzella Golf Academy. "Getting Better Everyday."
 

lia41985

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Every single time I read your posts, I wonder why you don't explain anything you disagree with, rather than just saying you don't like it. I don't care if you don't agree, so if you respond to my posts, at least bring something to the table.
What I bring to the table is my acknowledgement of how incorrect you are about dieting and golf. If you review the dieting thread, I made plenty of explanations for why your positions were wrong. Try again with your snarky remark. Better yet, re-educate your self about a whole lotta things...
 
What I bring to the table is my acknowledgement of how incorrect you are about dieting and golf. If you review the dieting thread, I made plenty of explanations for why your positions were wrong. Try again with your snarky remark. Better yet, re-educate your self about a whole lotta things...

who said anything about that thread here? you are so bitter
 

lia41985

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You said I don't ever explain anything I disagree with--previous posts are relevant? I'm not bitter, you're just wrong, and I call you on it. Deal with it. Learn. Move on. We'll have fewer problems when you're better educated.
 
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