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Loaded hotter than a .454 casull!
Wie looking lost on Tue.
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Loaded hotter than a .454 casull!
My 2 year old son loves his new golf clubs. If he stays with the game, and develops some type of aptitude, I think that I'll insist that he focuses on the flight of the ball, and not what his swing looks like. In my opinion, trying to look like somebody else, swingwise, is folly, especially if you're doing with the ball the things you want to do.
Maybe she has Lead in her balls. HAHA
golfbulldog
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17 year old girls...
If Michele Wie were a high flying academic student at College/university and her performance had dipped as dramatically as her golf has... she would have a support network available to her - seperate from her family - counsellors who are used to dealing with failing 17 year students who are not living up to their ability....
Michele has taken the dollar - does this mean that she has to die by the dollar?
The tour has made alot of money from her and other 17 year old girls... does the tour have a responsibilty to its brightest students? A college/ university does...
The tour ought to learn from this experience... probably too late to help Michele ( unless she helps herself - but at 17 she might not know how to do this yet...)
If Michele Wie were a high flying academic student at College/university and her performance had dipped as dramatically as her golf has... she would have a support network available to her - seperate from her family - counsellors who are used to dealing with failing 17 year students who are not living up to their ability....
Michele has taken the dollar - does this mean that she has to die by the dollar?
The tour has made alot of money from her and other 17 year old girls... does the tour have a responsibilty to its brightest students? A college/ university does...
The tour ought to learn from this experience... probably too late to help Michele ( unless she helps herself - but at 17 she might not know how to do this yet...)
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The 17-year-old player from Hawaii teed off early and fell off the map quickly. She hit only four fairways, four greens and offered an assessment that was difficult to grasp.
"It's just a very fine line between shooting 69 and shooting what I shot today," said Wie, who has gone 21 rounds without breaking par
The 17-year-old player from Hawaii teed off early and fell off the map quickly. She hit only four fairways, four greens and offered an assessment that was difficult to grasp.
"It's just a very fine line between shooting 69 and shooting what I shot today," said Wie, who has gone 21 rounds without breaking par
Jared Willerson
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A fine line of having a clue and not.
After reading NAT's post about Wie's crap golf swing, I was hoping that she would shoot 88 and not come back until next year. This would give her time off and leave Leadbetter.
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June 27, THE TIMES (LONDON)
When Suzann Pettersen held her nerve to win the McDonald’s LPGA Championship at Bulle Rock three weeks ago, she gave her coach just the sort of ammunition he needed to take a pop at his former employer – David Leadbetter, no less.
It is Leadbetter, coach to the stars, who is responsible for the golfing wellbeing of Michelle Wie, whose trials and tribulations in recent weeks have commanded much of the attention in a world not averse to a little navel-gazing.
According to who you believe, Wie is either all washed up at 17, a shadow of her former self and a player who will never touch the heights again, or she is slowly easing her way back into the game after fracturing her left wrist in a fall five months ago.
What you might not have expected, however, was for Wie’s former coach to be twisting the knife on the eve of the US Women’s Open that starts at Pine Needles today, pointing the finger at Leadbetter and suggesting that he would do a better job.
At Bulle Rock, Gary Gilchrist, a former South African tour player who coached Wie at the Leadbetter Academy in Bradenton for two years from 2002, offered unsolicited comments on Wie’s swing. “She’s all over the place,” he said. “The swing has gone.”
And indeed it had. In the end, the teenager finished bottom of those that made the halfway cut, 35 shots behind Pettersen, who started working with Gilchrist last December and now has two victories to her name, including her first major championship. It is such results that have allowed her coach to speak his mind.
In an interview with a local newspaper here, Gilchrist picked up on what he had seen at the McDonald’s tournament. “What I saw on the range the day before she [Wie] teed off for her first round, I was absolutely blown away that she even teed it up the next day,” he said.
Gilchrist left Leadbetter’s employ in 2004 to take up a more senior role at the International Golf Academy in Hilton Head Island, but Wie chose to stay put.
“They [Wie’s team] thought, ‘Let’s go to David, it’s going to make a big difference’, and it hasn’t,” Gilchrist said. “It’s not working at all. If that was my student, they would have left me in the dust six months ago.”
Yesterday, Leadbetter was in no mood to enter into a slanging match, but left little doubt what he thought. “Gary used to work for me and I’m sure there’s a little bit of jealousy there,” he said. “It worked pretty well last year [Wie had top-five finishes in three of the four women’s major championships but has not broken par in her past 20 rounds] up until the time she played a couple of men’s events. Everybody’s got their own opinion. But Gary learnt all his stuff from me, so I think I’ll leave it at that.”
In a cheeky flight of fancy, however, Gilchrist also said he would be happy to help Wie if he were asked. “Right now, I have a player who’s going to be No 1 in the world, who’s going to keep getting better and stronger. [But] if they’re going to want me to come out there and evaluate [Wie], I’m sure we could come up with some agreement,” he said.
Leadbetter, meanwhile, says he is not expecting too much this week. “We’re not being unrealistic. We’re not saying she’s going to win it,” he said. “She’s coming in here not very competitive and not 100 per cent fit. It’s better than a month ago, but it’s not there yet.”
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June 27, THE TIMES (LONDON)
When Suzann Pettersen held her nerve to win the McDonald’s LPGA Championship at Bulle Rock three weeks ago, she gave her coach just the sort of ammunition he needed to take a pop at his former employer – David Leadbetter, no less.
It is Leadbetter, coach to the stars, who is responsible for the golfing wellbeing of Michelle Wie, whose trials and tribulations in recent weeks have commanded much of the attention in a world not averse to a little navel-gazing.
According to who you believe, Wie is either all washed up at 17, a shadow of her former self and a player who will never touch the heights again, or she is slowly easing her way back into the game after fracturing her left wrist in a fall five months ago.
What you might not have expected, however, was for Wie’s former coach to be twisting the knife on the eve of the US Women’s Open that starts at Pine Needles today, pointing the finger at Leadbetter and suggesting that he would do a better job.
At Bulle Rock, Gary Gilchrist, a former South African tour player who coached Wie at the Leadbetter Academy in Bradenton for two years from 2002, offered unsolicited comments on Wie’s swing. “She’s all over the place,” he said. “The swing has gone.”
And indeed it had. In the end, the teenager finished bottom of those that made the halfway cut, 35 shots behind Pettersen, who started working with Gilchrist last December and now has two victories to her name, including her first major championship. It is such results that have allowed her coach to speak his mind.
In an interview with a local newspaper here, Gilchrist picked up on what he had seen at the McDonald’s tournament. “What I saw on the range the day before she [Wie] teed off for her first round, I was absolutely blown away that she even teed it up the next day,” he said.
Gilchrist left Leadbetter’s employ in 2004 to take up a more senior role at the International Golf Academy in Hilton Head Island, but Wie chose to stay put.
“They [Wie’s team] thought, ‘Let’s go to David, it’s going to make a big difference’, and it hasn’t,” Gilchrist said. “It’s not working at all. If that was my student, they would have left me in the dust six months ago.”
Yesterday, Leadbetter was in no mood to enter into a slanging match, but left little doubt what he thought. “Gary used to work for me and I’m sure there’s a little bit of jealousy there,” he said. “It worked pretty well last year [Wie had top-five finishes in three of the four women’s major championships but has not broken par in her past 20 rounds] up until the time she played a couple of men’s events. Everybody’s got their own opinion. But Gary learnt all his stuff from me, so I think I’ll leave it at that.”
In a cheeky flight of fancy, however, Gilchrist also said he would be happy to help Wie if he were asked. “Right now, I have a player who’s going to be No 1 in the world, who’s going to keep getting better and stronger. [But] if they’re going to want me to come out there and evaluate [Wie], I’m sure we could come up with some agreement,” he said.
Leadbetter, meanwhile, says he is not expecting too much this week. “We’re not being unrealistic. We’re not saying she’s going to win it,” he said. “She’s coming in here not very competitive and not 100 per cent fit. It’s better than a month ago, but it’s not there yet.”
curtisj76
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I hope she turns things around. I don't understand why anyone here would wish her bad luck.....you must not have daughters. She can do what Tiger has done, and that's getting younger players interested in golf. If woman's golf is ever on my 5 yr old daughter always asks if she is playing. Just like when I watch mens golf she asks if Tiger is playing.
Remember, she's a KID with tons of pressure that you and I have never come close to. Get off her back.
Remember, she's a KID with tons of pressure that you and I have never come close to. Get off her back.
swingobsessed
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I just feel sorry for her because I have personally felt that pain of hours of Leadbetter instruction when I first started out (DVD's and books). I mean the guy does know some stuff and is obviously successful with marketing himself, but something is wrong when I can watch hours of his DVD's and nothing can change after doing all of his stupid drills and then I can come to this forum and change things in a few days.
Jared Willerson
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No one as far as I can tell is on Wie's back. No one is wishing her ill will, but her GOLF SWING is not good and I believe that is all anyone here is talking about, there is more than a fine line between 82 and 69. BTW, this is more of an assessment of Leadbetter and what he is doing with world class talent than Wie.
I have two girls, who are currently playing the game via first tee. I think it's great. If my girls turn out to be talented there is no way I would do to them what BJ Wie has done to Michelle. She should NOT have this much pressure on her at 17
I have two girls, who are currently playing the game via first tee. I think it's great. If my girls turn out to be talented there is no way I would do to them what BJ Wie has done to Michelle. She should NOT have this much pressure on her at 17
I saw her hit balls a few years ago at a US Womens amateur where she lost in quarterly match play. Leadbetter was there working with her on the practice tee. Her swing was something to behold then. What every parent would like to see is a girl with this talent win a ton of junior events, two US amateurs, go to college and turn pro after she won everything else, like Tiger, Jack. Instead, she is playing at the John Deere trying to make the cut. She needs to learn to win and dominate. She has been pushed in the wrong direction and you would think that someone on her team, ie coach perhaps, would say something to her Dad. Unfortunately, she is a prime example of greed typical in sports today.
Nostradomus ..I'm NOT.... but she played 3 strokes better than my prediction in the first round....I would expect much of the same today!!!!
self-mastery
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I really don't buy the give her some slack because she is young argument. There are several other sports where females younger than Wie compete against the best players in the world. She is all media hype! She hasn't won anything or earned anything. Even 12 year old Alexis Thompson dusted washed up wie yesterday. I'm happy to see her fail because she hasn't earned or won anything.
Ochoa!
Ochoa!
Her talent was obvious a few years ago, her parents and Leadbetter have destroyed her. Don't hate her because she is really the victim here.
davidmac00
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soooosuccessful!!!!!!!!
my opinion,
well she IS THE BEST in the ladies game by a mile when it comes to earnings.she is and has always been good at making the press believe,this will not change.will she come back?,yes of course,she CAN play,I think she will have changed her coach though,maybe Butch is next!
up to her,
dmac00
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well she IS THE BEST in the ladies game by a mile when it comes to earnings.she is and has always been good at making the press believe,this will not change.will she come back?,yes of course,she CAN play,I think she will have changed her coach though,maybe Butch is next!
up to her,
dmac00
birdie_man
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I'll admit all the competing with the men etc. etc. is all a little much for me.
While she hasn't won anything tho.....she did have I think a couple near major wins at 15 and/or 16 or however young she was.
That's gotta be better than 99% of any pro whether male or female.
And her swing and the power (she HAD) was impressive enough at 15 or w/e.......so she obviously has talent. (before we bust out that argument)
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I'm not a big "Wie fan" or any crap............but this kind of thing gets me goin a bit. I really don't understand why people have go so far out of their way to try to give the poor girl a hard time. People sound like my grandpa with the ol' "toughen up" attitude.......I say give it a rest........
(or maybe she "just needs a swift kick in the rear end to start her breathing again" lol........)
I mean.............maybe tomorrow she'll start hocking loogies on people and pushing over grannies........if that happens I say go nuts. Right now tho.....even tho I find myself annoyed with her.......she don't deserve to be condemned. IMO. (I guess)
She IS young. Not that I should even have to think about myself to rationalize being nice....but I hope people are nice to me if ever things happen to be not goin so well.
BTW I did read what I just said. So before someone brings this up........I do realize that she has more money than you ever will (well it's true).....but also......I'm really sick of people talking like you're suddenly not allowed to have a hard time at all cause you have money.
Bless you.....
Had to say it.
While she hasn't won anything tho.....she did have I think a couple near major wins at 15 and/or 16 or however young she was.
That's gotta be better than 99% of any pro whether male or female.
And her swing and the power (she HAD) was impressive enough at 15 or w/e.......so she obviously has talent. (before we bust out that argument)
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I'm not a big "Wie fan" or any crap............but this kind of thing gets me goin a bit. I really don't understand why people have go so far out of their way to try to give the poor girl a hard time. People sound like my grandpa with the ol' "toughen up" attitude.......I say give it a rest........
(or maybe she "just needs a swift kick in the rear end to start her breathing again" lol........
)I mean.............maybe tomorrow she'll start hocking loogies on people and pushing over grannies........if that happens I say go nuts. Right now tho.....even tho I find myself annoyed with her.......she don't deserve to be condemned. IMO. (I guess)
She IS young. Not that I should even have to think about myself to rationalize being nice....but I hope people are nice to me if ever things happen to be not goin so well.
BTW I did read what I just said. So before someone brings this up........I do realize that she has more money than you ever will (well it's true).....but also......I'm really sick of people talking like you're suddenly not allowed to have a hard time at all cause you have money.
Bless you.....
Had to say it.
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