Working on my swing and the new release

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Brian Manzella

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footwedge said:
What else could he do from that left leaning, right side too high setup if he's trying to turn?
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That's part of it.

To me, he needs to set up at bit more rightward, and then step on the right foot early.

It is an obviously pretty good move overall though, and just needs tightening up.

If he'd like I'll do a video later tonight on it.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
That's part of it.

To me, he needs to set up at bit more rightward, and then step on the right foot early.

It is an obviously pretty good move overall though, and just needs tightening up.

If he'd like I'll do a video later tonight on it.
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Please do Brian!!!!
 
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ekennedy said:
Geoff,

IMO, the majority of your issues stem from your set-up and your first move away from the ball. By never really getting on to your right side (see Soft Draw takeaway) your hip turn (reverse hips) just makes you corkscrew into the ground. As you begin your DS, you are so far forward that any out toss will only allow you to barely reach the ball but never get your hula hoop into the ground at all. If you felt a jump, you'd probably top it.
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Makes alot of sense. The corkscrew analogy is a good one. I will purchase Soft Draw ASAP.

softconsult said:
The first thing I noticed is the right thumb on top of the grip versus on the the target side of the grip. This creates tension in the swing.
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Good pick up :)

Brian Manzella said:
Backswing pivot HAS TO GO!!!
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Kevin Shields said:
I agree that the backswing is so limiting that any out toss would act act as almost throwaway so you can hit it at all. The reverse hips would be the main concern if it were my swing.
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Are BM and Kevin saying the same thing here? I think they are. Are reverse hips and reverse pivot the same thing?

footwedge said:
Set up is not good. It would be if you were left handed. That alone starts everything going wrong. Arms too far from body and stiff make you take the clubhead inside with the arms separating from the body and over rotated to a flat position, where else could they go from there?. Also you need more of a reverse k setup. I wouldn't even worry about any out-toss or new release till I fixed those issues. JMO.
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I will do some reading on the reverse K setup. Thanks for the suggestions.

Here is what I know about the reverse pivot: A reverse pivot occurs when the weight shifts onto the front leg at the top of the swing. The majority of the golfer’s weight should be over/on the back leg.

Here are some possible swing thoughts (developed before i saw Brian's thoughts above): I need to maintain flex in back knee. Be careful not to over-rotate the right hip as this can lead to straightening of right leg. The weight shift to back leg occurs without a significant lateral shift - no swaying allowed. Shoulders should coil over right hip.

Going back to my original notion of how I misinterpreted a few aspects of the 'new release' ....In the 'release' video (11.45-12.15) Brian talks about not trying to shift your weight...So i didn't and because i probably never had a good weight shift to start with, this made a bad situation even worse. I also forgot about 'the step to the right' that he advocates as part of that process. My bad.

Brian also talked about doing "whatever you need to do to get your back to the target" (15.00-15-15)...In my efforts to do so, I think that I found it easier to do so by getting my weight forward. My bad.

Thanks one and all. It's been a good day.
 
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GeoffDickson

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Brian Manzella said:
That's part of it.
To me, he needs to set up at bit more rightward, and then step on the right foot early.
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Is this advice the same as setting up the reverse K position (with the spine titled slightly away from the target?

Just back from driving range....The first 75 balls saw little improvement...and then i just tried to exaggerate the weight shift onto the right foot. This was accompanied by a feeling of a significant lateral shift, something that in reality might be 'on the money' given I had no shift previously....and the next 75 were much better.

I think I achieved the lateral shift without swaying.

I also felt comfortable using the weaker right hand grip as suggested by Footwedge.
 
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Geoff,

As a practice drill you could try "more mid body hands @ address" with the right hand adjustment and make some swings on an uphill lie.

Mid body hands may help with starting your backswing and getting more to the right and take away some of the left arm/shoulder drag away look from the start of the backswing.

Then take some of these new sensations to your level practice area and pick up where you left off.
 
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So this - "more mid body hands @ address" - is the same as having the club pointed at belt buckle at address?

...waiting for the bus this morning I actually 'discovered' the benefits of the uphill lie...helps with the feeling of getting the weight on the back foot :)

Another swing thought discovered waiting for the bus to keep the right shin vertical...when I reverse the hips, the left shin angles towards the target..if I keep it vertical (right knee over right foot), then that is a good sign that my right hip has moved 'way from the ball' as opposed to toward the target.

Game on.
 
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GeoffDickson said:
So this - "more mid body hands @ address" - is the same as having the club pointed at belt buckle at address?

...waiting for the bus this morning I actually 'discovered' the benefits of the uphill lie...helps with the feeling of getting the weight on the back foot :)

Another swing thought discovered waiting for the bus to keep the right shin vertical...when I reverse the hips, the left shin angles towards the target..if I keep it vertical (right knee over right foot), then that is a good sign that my right hip has moved 'way from the ball' as opposed to toward the target.

Game on.
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Geoff

I had the same type setup with the hands forward and the reverse hips on the backswing. I agree with what Matt is saying with the mid body hands. Once u start that left shoulder drag on the takeaway u have already set yourself up on the target side of the ball in the backswing and have no choice but to tug on the DS. I have been working on the mid body hands and a steeper arm takeaway. This has really helped curve the reverse hips and tug. Also the arms steeper and higher in the BS allows less pivot without the distance loss.
 
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Really lost it for a bit with New Release - could only hit driver well and was really struggling for good contact on irons.

I reckon I got sloppy.

Got it back by changing to a straighter and more rigid left arm (go figure!) at address and throughout - with the wrists feeling much more 'free'. This had the knock on effect of giving me a higher left shoulder at address. I think the straighter left arm makes me turn better in the backswing (i.e. no fake turn).

Not sure what the entire cause/effect chain is but the straight left arm + free wrists + better left shoulder/left side move + going normal = hitting it well, including the shorter clubs.
 
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GeoffDickson

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I am working hard on the "more mid body hands @ address"...the part I am strugg;ling with the most is the clubface alignment at address...when I get 'mid body hands @ address' or 'butt of club at belt buckle at address' it seems that the club face gets very closed.
 
Matt Bryda

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Geoff,

My comment about "mid body hands" was to help isolate the sensation of body or torso which could help you achieve a more rightward shift going back.

Sounds like you may be over torquing your hands/wrists and forearms to achieve more of a mid body hands location at address. Just a guess without being able to see you do it.
 
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GeoffDickson

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I finally 'unlocked' the correct (or at least an improved) set of swing thoughts...I have had a few weeks of scoring OK (i.e.in the high 70s)but have struggled to hit any iron in the sweetspot...I don't mind hitting a bad shot so long as it comes off the sweetspot...limping around with nothing but mishits is really annoying and not fun. Just because it hits the green does not make it a good shot.

Anyways, I finally figured it out yesterday that my underplane takeaway had returned...spent a few hours connecting the dots between all the youtube coaches and the advice I have received from my own coach previosuly...A few hundred 'practice takeways' in the on the lounge room and today made it to to the driving range...noticeable improvement in hitting the sweet spot, alot of very straight shots as well as improved distances.

I have the butt of the club at left of centre at address...I am comfortable with that moment..it is very different from where it was a few weeks ago.

My reverse pivot is a work in progress but is definitely on the improve...

Hardest thing is getting the takeaway correct AND remembering to get weight on back foot...but the reverse K concept, especially having the spine titled away from target, is a great place to start...A bit more practice and I am sure that both of these will become automated...and then i will get stuck into the out-toss and the hula hoop. I just don;t have the bandwith to do all of these at once...yet.
 
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GeoffDickson

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An increased spine tilt (away from the target) - slightly larger than my previous efforts - is making it easier to get on back foot which is freeing up bandwith to think about the takeaway. I now have only two takeaway swing thoughts: 1) left shoulder goes under left clavicle (to promote steeper shoulder turn; 2) keep hands close to right thigh (to avoid the pop-out).

It is now a much simpler game :)
 
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