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Brian Manzella

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A chap tried to ask me a simple question or two about my latest TrackMan inspired YouTube posted swing.

I would have answered there, but it made me think I need to keep you folks up to date with all things in "ZERO-land."

1. The swing I posted is NOT "pattern ZERO."

2. I have already moved on to the next phase of ZERO research.

3. How messed up is my 48-year old body?​

"So Brian, if that isn't PATTERN ZERO, what is?"

Pattern Zero is coming along everyday. The swing I posted was just a two month attempt to make my stock swing zero-out. I got bored with it a month ago (the video is 5 weeks old).

I posted it to show how ZEROing out had made my swing much smoother.

I wasn't trying to show off. :D

It looked better to my eye than most of these other teacher posted swings. But, if you want pretty, I post up some Mike Finney after I zero him out.

"What is the next phase of ZERO research?"

I have figured out how to do something very correct in the last couple of days.

By "correct" I mean ORTHODOX. You see, any swing can ZERO OUT, even that swing I posted up, but the latest version has less movement, and less carry.

I will be satisfied when I can produce ORTHODOX to point of near ZERO criticism of my swing from ANY front.

And today I got very, very close.

I guess I need to post up some swings of Derek East a college player I work with who zeroes out nicely, with about 5% body fat, and a pass on the TPI test, to show folks what it looks like on someone who is all broken down.

"How broken down are you, Brian?"

Well I couldn't ANY PHASE of the TPI test, I have had two knee scopes, and torn achilles tendon, 97% tear of my left rotator cuff, right rotator cuff tear, and a right ring finger that may need surgery.

Having said that, 48 years old or not, I'd turn Nick Clearwater around so many times if he was trying to cover me on a football field, that he'd need some Dramamine.

No offense, Nick. ;)

Unfortunately, that wouldn't make my swing look any prettier.

But I'm working on it.

Funny how I get carved up for my Arnold Palmer under and over, and they have instructors out there FLIPPIN' the shat out of it on YouTube, and no one utter a sound.

Must be ZERO envy.
 
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jeffgladchun

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Keep the good stuff coming Bmaz...

Brian,

Please take me to Zero-Land.

It sounds like a wonderful place. Maybe we can visit Simultaneous-Maximum-Kinetic-Chain-Snap-ville on the way... :D
 
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savydan

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Because of the balancing out of accumulator 3 combined with the full, distall thrust of 2 along PP 1 is a biomechanically superior in physical stability along longitudinally directed flail lines.
 
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dbl

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Zeroing out is about impact, and a variety of swings can produce that from Furyk's to Thorpe's to McIroy's. So I imagine in Brian's quest, it will have some other goals, like appearing orthodox, as he mentioned. But at the same time, zeroing out is different for every club..different amounts right and different angle of attacks, etc. So I wonder how "the pattern" will be presented with 13 variations for 13 clubs.
 
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savydan

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I don't think anyone meant to imply that zeroing out always results in smoother.

Are we ready to say that there are any fundamental truths about the swing?

One anology I've been thinking of is the ski jump, when ever since that one guy put his skis in a V-shape to create more lift, seems like everyone after him does that move.

Anything similar in golf?
 
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One anology I've been thinking of is the ski jump, when ever since that one guy put his skis in a V-shape to create more lift, seems like everyone after him does that move.

Anything similar in golf?
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I think it will involve the pivot and snapping your kinetic chain.

Matt
 
drewyallop

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Tried this swing yesterday with good success. I am not sure what "smoother" looks like but if it that nice long BS to parallel at the top followed by a gently accelerating DS into a fast release then it is not for me (63 years). When it works it is heaven but show up with the slightest timing problem and it is hell.

The posted swing feels robust, sturdy and aggressive. Not a lot of time to think - just shift/pivot and everything else unfurls. Only timing issue is the carry. Do it and you dump on the ball better. Don't do it enough and the shot is weaker but still serviceable.

I watch guys in their late 60 and early seventies out hit me all the time with some version of this swing.

Drew Yallop
 
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sideyard said:
I think it will involve the pivot and snapping your kinetic chain.

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I hear ya. Along those lines, I've been trying to figure the force of the swinging club at impact. Best I can guess is around 70 pounds of force. Lots of assumptions, but surely we are swinging something of some manitude of force on us.

With that kind of force, and trying to hit a pea-sized spot on the face, I think that some ideas of balance may segue well with the kinetic chain concepts.
 
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I think that some ideas of balance may segue well with the kinetic chain concepts.
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I think the proper sequence and when you do them has the biggest influence on balance.

If your goal is to get to the left hip/left heel soon enough on the downswing then it seems like it is easier to balance your torso. Like your body can sit there and wait for the arms/hands/club to swing by.

And if you don't get "there" or "there" soon enough your body is counter acting the force of the arms/hands/club and the result would be added wobbles somewhere in your motion.

What do you mean by "some ideas of balance"?

Matt
 
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savydan

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I meant something along the lines of exactly what you suggested!

Like whether you are Ryo Ishikawa or Craig Stadler, when you swing a 5-iron at 90 miles an hour, you both have X pounds of force to deal with through impact.

I'm just taking a guess at what may first come out of the bio-mechanists/physicists/neurologists etc. as something they can put their arms around, so to speak, and offer something of value that is "pretty universal" for teachers and players to chew on.

One of the challenges of the pure scientific approach is isolating the "system" in order to be able to measure it. Then by the time you isolate the system, can it be applied "universally" to all players? Not to mention the need to address the "goal" of the study - distance, accuracy, some combination.....lots of variables........just kind of thinking out loud here.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Jim Kobylinski

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I have always felt that one achieves the best balance and the "look" of smoothness when they were reallllllllllly on plane. I found that timing is greatly reduced, misses are more managable, and balance is more of a result.

I still believe this to be true but now my definition of "on plane" is more of a "zero'd out" notion. The closer you are to being very neutral through the ball the easier golf was for me and the students i was able to get there.
 
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