Zeroing out on Trackman

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Michael Finney

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ggsjpc said:
How many teachers today with trackman would destroy a guy like Bruce Lietzke?
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And the corollary would be how many guys with trackman would "fix", "help", "upgrade" the hundreds of players you have never heard of because of their inability to create good numbers.
 
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Kevin Shields

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I was just thinking about how a zeroed out player has such an advantage on uneven lies because the ball would truly react the way its suppose to with no surprise. A fall left or right. The one way curve player almost always struggles with uneven lies. Again IMO.
 
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ggsjpc said:
I like all questions and all answers.

I may not agree with them all but I appreciate them.

I really don't have a problem with zeroing out.

I really don't have a problem with curving 'windows'.

I agree that what works for the player trumps all.

Because of the fact that many things work, I don't see how one is absolutely, without question better than the other.

However, that is boring so let me ask a question.

How many teachers today with trackman would destroy a guy like Bruce Lietzke?


Based on my understanding of Trackman newsletters, it is implied that zeroing out also creates a window.

What are the implications of uneven lies on the zeroed out window player vs the fade or draw window player?
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It would be clear to any Trackman owner with a brain that Lietzke would light it up like a pinball machine and he wouldnt need touched. It would be up to him if he wanted to change his flight
 
mjstrong

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What I'd like to see

Thinking of the Lietzke example, does Trackman produce a "consistency" statistic over a range of shots, much like the Sam PuttLab does? Two players could have similar "averages" but VERY different "consistency" scores when it came to clubface control, path control, etc...

That would certainly be an important stat to me. I wonder if they don't yet, will they add the formula in there?

Just thinking out loud...
 
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Kevin Shields said:
It would be clear to any Trackman owner with a brain that Lietzke would light it up like a pinball machine and he wouldnt need touched. It would be up to him if he wanted to change his flight
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So, why is a zeroed window better than a fade window? Should we only try to zero out poorer players because they can't repeat whatever relationship they have (and that relationship does not allow for good golf).

Like I said, I have no problem with either.
 
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Kevin Shields

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IMO, if a guy has reached the level of consistency of a player of his caliber I dont care if he slices it 30 yds if he did it every time. I still think zero'ing is the holy grail for may reasons.
 
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spktho

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I don't know much about trackman data, but it would seem that a "consistency" stat would show how close each swing was to each other. Somewhat of a standard deviation stat or an average with a +/-.

If so, then it wouldn't matter how close, say Bruce L., to 0 a really good player is. If they can consistently put up the same numbers, then they can consistently hit the same ball flight and distance. That being said, I too would say being able to be zereod with a straight ball flight would be ideal.
 
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spktho said:
I don't know much about trackman data, but it would seem that a "consistency" stat would show how close each swing was to each other. Somewhat of a standard deviation stat or an average with a +/-.

If so, then it wouldn't matter how close, say Bruce L., to 0 a really good player is. If they can consistently put up the same numbers, then they can consistently hit the same ball flight and distance. That being said, I too would say being able to be zereod with a straight ball flight would be ideal.
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yes, i guess kenny perry would be consistent, but not zeroed at all.
 
mjstrong

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Kevin Shields said:
But another key is what are his numbers when he hits a shot like one on 17 Sunday at the Masters?
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Exactly. "It's where your misses go..."

In fact, I tend all my students towards a straighter ball flight, simply because I think it improves your misses. I have hit the ball like crap all day long, but end up hitting 14 greens just because of target selection, and favouring a straight ball flight.

Now, if you asked me to PROVE that a straighter ball flight led to "better" misses...
 
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Kevin Shields

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My guess is a properly zeroe'd out player's misses would be little bleeders and pulls. Because of the spin and varying face angles and a path that isnt on the target line i would have to say the misses on average (in theory) would be greater long and short as well as side to side.
 
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