Too much pivot!?
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It seems to me that many here (especially myself) seems to be over doing the pivot. Brian cleared me up on that. I was thinking when we try to do certain moves like using the pivot or any other helpfull moves we over do it. When I played sports I didnt think about pivoting my hips as a batter in baseball it naturally happened. Same as tossing a ball you naturally turn towards your target etc. So why is it soooooo hard to do this, swigging a friggin club at a stupid ball just laying there waitng for you to hit it. Dmn this sport is hard....joe
Dariusz J.
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Sounds paradoxially, but this sport is so hard because you try to hit a ball that is not moving. If you try to hit a moving ball (e.g. tennis or baseball) - your body subconsciousnessly thinks for you and often chooses the best option because there's no time for thinking how to execute a shot. At least, it is what I believe in.
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Brian Manzella
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The real deal on the pivot.
The "Pivot" is the term for what the body does during the swing.
It can assist with positioning and power, but need not do either.
To hit the ball as good as YOU can, YOUR pivot needs to allow your club do get where it needs to, while winding up, and unwinding with a snap.
That is why I can be inflexible, move my spine up and down as much as Natalie Gulbis, and hit my driver as good as I did this year.
I let my pivot get my club where it needs to be, while winding up, and unwinding with a snap.
I have driven the ball HORRIBLE in the past—trying to look "pretty" or do some someone's B.S. idea of what a pivot should be.
The "Pivot" is the term for what the body does during the swing.
It can assist with positioning and power, but need not do either.
To hit the ball as good as YOU can, YOUR pivot needs to allow your club do get where it needs to, while winding up, and unwinding with a snap.
That is why I can be inflexible, move my spine up and down as much as Natalie Gulbis, and hit my driver as good as I did this year.
I let my pivot get my club where it needs to be, while winding up, and unwinding with a snap.
I have driven the ball HORRIBLE in the past—trying to look "pretty" or do some someone's B.S. idea of what a pivot should be.
But the problem with me is timing of the pivot. When its done right (wow) especially on a little pitch. When its not (phew). I belive its all about as you say catch it with the pivot. I start my pivot to soon most times and when I`m late with it its a bad shot. But I`m working on belt buckle leading the hands and pivot. Brian is it alright to have an open (a little) club face at the adress of the ball instead of square??/...joe
tourdeep
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I feel your pain...been there, will prolly do it again...! All of a sudden, it's the electric slide at the disco.
but, as Neo says...
"I let my pivot get my club where it needs to be, while winding up, and unwinding with a snap."...translation for me is whatever it takes to get the ball to do what you want it to do,,,it all depends,,,and/or different strokes for different folks...
I used to think slide while/then turn. see what you think about this...
if the weight is properly transferred to the lead side while that spot at the back of the spine stays where it's supposed to stay, the slide (axis tilt too)will take care of its own without thinking too much about the slide/turn relationship. Because of this, I just don't worry about slide. Rather, it's turn...
Okay, I realize it's all individual, and it depends where you are in the matrix. But if that's the case, what's the point in discussing any of this?
there must be a general range in which the relationship between center of gravity(navel) has a general relationship to the ball at impact. I can't come to see Brian yet, and i don't believe there's nothing I can do in the meantime. assuming my TGM teacher and I are correct in determining that I have developed too much "slide" in my pivot, how would you limit it without eliminating all lower body action?
Or, how can I determine if I have too much slide in my pivot? What ball flight/contact problems could I expect if I am sliding too far left before and into impact? pushes? Thin shots?
there must be a general range in which the relationship between center of gravity(navel) has a general relationship to the ball at impact. I can't come to see Brian yet, and i don't believe there's nothing I can do in the meantime. assuming my TGM teacher and I are correct in determining that I have developed too much "slide" in my pivot, how would you limit it without eliminating all lower body action?
Or, how can I determine if I have too much slide in my pivot? What ball flight/contact problems could I expect if I am sliding too far left before and into impact? pushes? Thin shots?
self-mastery
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Why is the pivot so important when the majority of power in the golf swing comes from the hands and arms?
I think that the pivots role is only to create support for the swing. More violent swings require a better pivot.
I think that the pivots role is only to create support for the swing. More violent swings require a better pivot.
Bronco Billy
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The Pivot is another Hang on Concept that will not go AWAY..... It Derives from the Old Disproven Mystical Belief of Sustained Force Thru Impact.... It was thought that to OverCome the 2000#+- Resistance Force thru impact the whole force of the Body was needed..... But Clubhead Velocity Rules..... The Pivots only Function is to Help in the Necessary 90 Degree Squaring of the Clubface on the Downswing and contributes very little to Increasing Impact Velocity...... Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.....
tourdeep
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depends on how one defines a pivot...
some can hit it a ton sitting on a chair or on knees,,,funny, never seen it employed on any tour...
is it not the majority of force derived from the right (trail) shoulder?
It can assist with positioning and power, but need not do either.
and that slighlty added distance and accuracy can mean all the difference to some.
some can hit it a ton sitting on a chair or on knees,,,funny, never seen it employed on any tour...
is it not the majority of force derived from the right (trail) shoulder?
It can assist with positioning and power, but need not do either.
and that slighlty added distance and accuracy can mean all the difference to some.
Jim Kobylinski
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Your pivot needs to be fast enough so that the hands/arms don't outrace it. That's about it. So if you want to be able to swing that club really fast, you better pivot fast enough so that the arms/hands don't catch up too soon.
self-mastery
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Have you seen Kuykendall demonstrate his technique? He can hit drives that reach his normal driver distance while sitting on a chair.
I'm self editing to save the moderator time
birdie_man
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The Pivot is another Hang on Concept that will not go AWAY..... It Derives from the Old Disproven Mystical Belief of Sustained Force Thru Impact.... It was thought that to OverCome the 2000#+- Resistance Force thru impact the whole force of the Body was needed..... But Clubhead Velocity Rules..... The Pivots only Function is to Help in the Necessary 90 Degree Squaring of the Clubface on the Downswing and contributes very little to Increasing Impact Velocity...... Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.....
Uh oh....
A "hang-on" concept? Only there to resist deceleration? (whaaaaaat are you talking about) Are you sure?
And how do you think you create your clubhead velocity?
birdie_man
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There is a good amount of pros who do this Joe. I'm not sure what Brian's been working with you on but in general I think it's ok. Hopefully Brian will correct me if I am OUT OF LINEEEE.
I like to open it if I really want to fade one and/or get some more height.
Bronco Billy
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birdie_man
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Can he hit it his full distance off the giant yellow ball?
And...
Is he really not using his pivot?
BTW maybe we should get our definitions straight with the term "pivot".....we've been down this road (Misunderstanding Avenue N) before I think. (and I have with this same argument actually...with different guy though)
To me: Pivot = Body - Arms.
(or P = B + Machete)
If this differs from what you were going by then let me know.
And (especially) if it doesn't then I say........again:
Is he really not using his pivot?
And...
Is he really not using his pivot?
BTW maybe we should get our definitions straight with the term "pivot".....we've been down this road (Misunderstanding Avenue N) before I think. (and I have with this same argument actually...with different guy though)
To me: Pivot = Body - Arms.
(or P = B + Machete)
If this differs from what you were going by then let me know.
And (especially) if it doesn't then I say........again:
Is he really not using his pivot?
Jared Willerson
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The above still has a pretty good swivel and a flat left wrist, even into the follow through. I'd say he traced a pretty straight plane line and swung across his left leg.
I smell soft draw.
I smell soft draw.
Bronco Billy
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I think he hits it 250-300 on the big yellow ball.... I did NOT say golfers don't Pivot... I DID say Golfers Body Pivot contributes very little to Clubhead Velocity.... My guess would be on a 100mph clubhead swing.... Arms(90mph) and body(10mph).... Reread my post.....
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