Burner
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Oh you are just so on top of everything Burner.
Nah! Usually way behind the play.
This time I just got to run with the ball.
Too much pivot!?
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Nah! Usually way behind the play.
This time I just got to run with the ball.
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Yup, definitely no turn on the backswing....and if there is any on the downswing it FEELS like it is after the fact...although the hips are probably leading..
Yup, definitely no turn on the backswing....and if there is any on the downswing it FEELS like it is after the fact...although the hips are probably leading..
birdie_man
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All I know is that is very tough to do unless you are making a super short backswing. (or are lifting your arms like crazy i.e. SUPER outside)
self-mastery
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Yes, but in the most minimal way...No hip turn on the backswing and no hip turn until after impact...all arms bud...
I've done this before!
After watching Brian's video on the accumulators, I decide to construct the least physically demanding pattern. I basically kept my body square the entire time and threw the club face from the top. SIZZLE.
I'm about to go outside and try this pattern again.
report coming.
birdie_man
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Heyhey....take some video. I'll bet your shoulders and hips turn.....
self-mastery
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Heyhey....take some video. I'll bet your shoulders and hips turn.....
I know that my shoulders and hips turn. I said back on the second page that it is impossible to have a zero pivot full swing. You can have a minimum pivot stroke. Speed is king.
I like this pattern, but you have to have educated hands and club face control to make it work, ball position is also very important. I knocked a few steamers in the woods with a gentle draw, reminds me of Paula Creamers pattern... Feels how she looks?!? Average distance, better than average control for me.
Before long I was cranking it and involving my pivot even more on the downswing, getting into aSnead sitdown position... I like the idea of minimum pivot during the backswing, sit down on the downswing, and this weird sort of twistaway floatloading move that happened when I decided to blast it. This is how I was swinging yesterday when I was ripping the ball.
I think that the minimum pivot on the bs idea gets the golfer into the perfect position to stop his pivot on the downswing. BM what do you think? The less rotational your swing is the easier it is to put on the breaks and let your arms rip through???
Tinkering!
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No, the arms go as high as usual, they just get there differently...there is a lot af arm action across the chest before your shoulders turn, i.e. the left upper arm slides right up towards your throat...
It's very much a windmill swing...
No, the arms go as high as usual, they just get there differently...there is a lot af arm action across the chest before your shoulders turn, i.e. the left upper arm slides right up towards your throat...
It's very much a windmill swing...
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I think it is more of "taking up all the slack" on the backswing and pre-impact..
I think it is more of "taking up all the slack" on the backswing and pre-impact..
self-mastery
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Doesn't the downswing take up the slack?
I purposely allow my left arm to bend in order to create a longer lever. I feel like a bow on the downswing.
I love your windmill reference. I just tried it with an emphasis on stopping my pivot and letting my arms swing like mad. What a wonderful sound and feeling.
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It's as opposed to turning and then letting the impetus raise your arms even further during the last bit of the backswing, which then takes out all the slack (old swing style, cos your arms are still trying to go back while everything else is starting to move forward...)....
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No, just a different way of doing it (the backswing).....
Also you will find I did say that the hips were probably leading the downswing, in any case.....
No, just a different way of doing it (the backswing).....
Also you will find I did say that the hips were probably leading the downswing, in any case.....
speedracer68
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sorry puttmad that comment wasn't made for you it was just a general comment for the guys that think the swing is 90% arms..My apologies
quartermainer
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no swaying
Yesterday practicing I felt by using the hogans power move, where the initial swing is taken back by clearing the right hip back behind you, and then to the target rather then sliding right. This move take the club back square and makes a very tight coil on the lower body without swaying.
This feeling where you turn till you get a little tight is interesting as if you do not keep turning deep into the hip, the resistance will push your top half to sway. I have found that if I look down at my left shoulder as I swing back, the shoulder must go straight back along the parallel target line, and feel the upper body is turning deep also where the club goes on plain and then behind you. This is a very tight position and impossible to over swing.
Doing this, I found I was balanced and the downswing initiated on its own with no conscious thought. It also was the first time I felt the shaft bow just before impact. The ball flight was solid, with a very slight draw.
After the practice I came back and swung in the mirror and it was the closest visual comparison to Hogans back swing. It looked like a pro golf swing.
I have no Idea if this is correct, but I have swayed on the back swing for so long now, this has been the best discovery yet and I feel the swing loaded and behind me at the top with.
Yesterday practicing I felt by using the hogans power move, where the initial swing is taken back by clearing the right hip back behind you, and then to the target rather then sliding right. This move take the club back square and makes a very tight coil on the lower body without swaying.
This feeling where you turn till you get a little tight is interesting as if you do not keep turning deep into the hip, the resistance will push your top half to sway. I have found that if I look down at my left shoulder as I swing back, the shoulder must go straight back along the parallel target line, and feel the upper body is turning deep also where the club goes on plain and then behind you. This is a very tight position and impossible to over swing.
Doing this, I found I was balanced and the downswing initiated on its own with no conscious thought. It also was the first time I felt the shaft bow just before impact. The ball flight was solid, with a very slight draw.
After the practice I came back and swung in the mirror and it was the closest visual comparison to Hogans back swing. It looked like a pro golf swing.
I have no Idea if this is correct, but I have swayed on the back swing for so long now, this has been the best discovery yet and I feel the swing loaded and behind me at the top with.
self-mastery
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There are many ways to play this game well. Some do it with ballstiking, some do it with finesse, others do it with pure power. I'm glad that we have options.
Jeff You are the Missing Link..... You are What is Needed to Understand the Golf Swing in terms of the Human Body.... Double Pendulum Math Models, PingMan Metal Robots, Etc. are All MODELS that are Trying to Represent what is Happening in the REAL Human Machine.... These Robots/Math Models/Etc. are NOT the Real Thing and Only REPRESENT the Real Thing(The Human Golfer)..... Now Make My Day and Give Me some More New Found Knowledge...
I just read through this thread. I then saw Brian's post with the automobile graphics. I'm a little confused. Do you just want to argue with Jeff?
At the very least you might acknowledge what Brian posted then either agree, ask questions, or disagree and debate. Ignoring a guy trying to help you just doesn't make any sense to me.
In 6-D-2 HK states that even a surprisingly low sustained acceleration causes early release. (and in 10-19-C expresses it as centrifugal force)
In a thread a while back Mandarin mathematically proves (I think) that sustained acceleration causes release. (though to my understanding the force causing release was not necessarily centrifugal.)
So if I'm guessing correctly, in Mr Manzella's analogy, as the car begins slowing it would delay release of the club and perhaps even increase the angle for greater speed.
This is a great analogy and hopefully this type of thing will go into a book or such.
Its a bit counter intuitive, but someone who is pretty good but has a problem hitting fat with irons might find the answer to their problem here. (just a hackers thought of course.
In a thread a while back Mandarin mathematically proves (I think) that sustained acceleration causes release. (though to my understanding the force causing release was not necessarily centrifugal.)
So if I'm guessing correctly, in Mr Manzella's analogy, as the car begins slowing it would delay release of the club and perhaps even increase the angle for greater speed.
This is a great analogy and hopefully this type of thing will go into a book or such.
Its a bit counter intuitive, but someone who is pretty good but has a problem hitting fat with irons might find the answer to their problem here. (just a hackers thought of course.
self-mastery
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The energy of the speeding car is transfered to the clubhead when the brakes are slammed (pivot stop).
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