geoff ogilvy and ben curtis are 2 that come to mind immediately.
#4 accumulator release point
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geoff ogilvy and ben curtis are 2 that come to mind immediately.
mrodock
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I'll be glad to...but, you raised the point, so you first.
Cool. My point is that if the arms don't swing down (shake the sugar or whatever) then the shoulders have to do something to get the club to come down . . . . either they spin the arms out over the plane or get tilt early and get under plane. I wasn't talking about heavy hit. Like you point out lots of the greatest ballstrikers keep the left shoulder down . . . . but Sergio in particular is definitely expanding the #4 angle . . . swinging the arms fast.
Am I off target here?
Brian Manzella
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You are forgetting one thing, Matt:
The arm can come down the chest without any loss of the left arm across the chest (#4 "accumulator") angle.
Why? And how does that relate to having the acute and late wrist angles that these guys have?
I'd noticed this before in Sergio, and remember you mentioning it before. Just hoping you could tie this all together.
mrodock
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You are forgetting one thing, Matt:
The arm can come down the chest without any loss of the left arm across the chest (#4 "accumulator") angle.
Agree . . . . but if the arm doesn't come down the chest I think a shift results regardless of the across piece . . .
Brian Manzella
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mrodock
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Nope.
I can trace a "straight plane line" from anywhere.
So can you.
Pointing at a line doesn't necessarily guarantee anything does it though?
2mongoose
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Kostis.......puke!
Oh, did I mention you should watch the videos w/ the sound off?
His release is just so late it "appears" he' s using his hands to square it up - don't believe the hype.
Oh, did I mention you should watch the videos w/ the sound off?
His release is just so late it "appears" he' s using his hands to square it up - don't believe the hype.
2mongoose
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If you buy into Homer's idea that the release sequence is left arm/shoulder angle (#4), bent right arm (#1), cocked left wrist (#2) and left forearm to clubshaft angle and you hang on to #4 into the downswing - viola! bunch of accumulator delay.
Maybe my wife's pregancy brain is contagious, 'cause I still can't see the relationship to the low left shoulder deep into the downswing. I'm a little slow on the uptake.
Brian Manzella
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???????????????
The "point" you were trying to make, was this:
If you don't "release" the angle between your left arm and chest (#4 Accumulator angle), specifically have your left arm start moving OFF of the chest, you will shift, ii.e. turn to a different direction, the plane line (direction of the swing).
I said I can trace a straight plane line with NO RELEASE of that angle—by arm and hand rotation, etc.—and you say that doesn't guarantee anything.
What on earth are you trying to say...???
Help!
The "point" you were trying to make, was this:
If you don't "release" the angle between your left arm and chest (#4 Accumulator angle), specifically have your left arm start moving OFF of the chest, you will shift, ii.e. turn to a different direction, the plane line (direction of the swing).
I said I can trace a straight plane line with NO RELEASE of that angle—by arm and hand rotation, etc.—and you say that doesn't guarantee anything.
What on earth are you trying to say...???
Help!
Brian Manzella
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Fast hands have NOTHING to do with a late release.
As a matter of fact, you need slower hands if anything.
(I didn't listen to the commentator)
Brian Manzella
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That sequence isn't always used per se.
The "point" he was trying to make is shifting the plane angle not the plane line.
I thought you were done tracing lines.
Brian Manzella
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Where does he say that?
Nobody can trace a line worth a lick anyway, except with the sweetspot, which I still teach.
The folks that THINK they can trace with their right forefinger, or right forearm—on a full speed swing—are totally and completely full of $#!#.
A good 3D machine would make them cry to momma.
mrodock
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Forget about all the #4 stuff . . . . All am saying is . . . . if your hands stay high, you shift plane line and or angle depending on what the shoulders do.
Brian Manzella
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!!!!!!!!!
No!
Example #1: Someone makes a David Toms height Backswing, and they KEEP their hands AT THE SAME HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THEIR SHOULDERS, and they tilt their axis just right, NO PLANE LINE OR PLANE ANGLE SHIFT!!!!!
Geez!
Do I need to pull out the laser?
You have been getting some bad info, Matt.
No!
Example #1: Someone makes a David Toms height Backswing, and they KEEP their hands AT THE SAME HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THEIR SHOULDERS, and they tilt their axis just right, NO PLANE LINE OR PLANE ANGLE SHIFT!!!!!
Geez!
Do I need to pull out the laser?
You have been getting some bad info, Matt.
mrodock
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no laser needed.
You're right. Don't know what I was thinking. Please proceed.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZuXp_qlNnw[/media]
Brian Manzella
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Of course, you do realize, that David is making a Plane Angle shift here, right?
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