Jim Kobylinski
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There's a startup swivel...not right away like Tomasello style but a gradual turning while the body is rotating.
What are they called? I get them confused....standard wrist action and ????
4 barrel hit/swing???
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There's a startup swivel...not right away like Tomasello style but a gradual turning while the body is rotating.
What are they called? I get them confused....standard wrist action and ????
birdie_man
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Single?
To whom it may concern,
Is Switting truly a bad thing?
Who on tour swits?
The Golfing Machine was a catalogue correct. It broke the motions of G.O.L.F. into swinging and hitting.
But there's different kinds of swingers and hitters, classic versus modern.
Never heard of that.
Ask Annikan.
It would be interesting to see how much more Homer would have classified or cateqorized in the golf swing were he still alive.
Maybe Mac and M.O.R.A.D. are heading in the right direction?
If quick swing, if strong hit, (if capable do both), (if talented experiment and combine).
Sorting through the Instructor's Textbook!
B-Ray
Is Switting truly a bad thing?
Who on tour swits?
The Golfing Machine was a catalogue correct. It broke the motions of G.O.L.F. into swinging and hitting.
But there's different kinds of swingers and hitters, classic versus modern.
Never heard of that.
Ask Annikan.
It would be interesting to see how much more Homer would have classified or cateqorized in the golf swing were he still alive.
Maybe Mac and M.O.R.A.D. are heading in the right direction?
If quick swing, if strong hit, (if capable do both), (if talented experiment and combine).
Sorting through the Instructor's Textbook!
B-Ray
drewitgolf
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Sounds like Single Action to me (no startup Swivel), in which case you are loading for Hitting.
Generally speaking:
Triple Barrel Hitting (1,2,3) 4th Accumulator is Motion only
Four Barrel Hitting (4,1,2,3) 4th Accumulator is Action (to any degree)
Swinging relies on a transfer of Momentum, while Hitting relies on Thrust. Employing both, at the same time, can be hazardous to the health of your motion.
Generally speaking:
Triple Barrel Hitting (1,2,3) 4th Accumulator is Motion only
Four Barrel Hitting (4,1,2,3) 4th Accumulator is Action (to any degree)
Swinging relies on a transfer of Momentum, while Hitting relies on Thrust. Employing both, at the same time, can be hazardous to the health of your motion.
birdie_man
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But Jim said:
Jim Kobylinski
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There's a start up swivel...but it isn't standard wrist action where you turn your left hand to the plane almost immediately. It is where you allow the left arm to gradually turn to the plane with the movement of the body. I know how to load for hitting and trust me, i'm not. I just don't remember what the other wrist action "name" is for what i'm describing.
birdie_man
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But that's not a Swivel then is it?
A Swivel is Turning your left forearm like a screwdriver.
Are you sure it's not Single Wrist Action?
A Swivel is Turning your left forearm like a screwdriver.
Are you sure it's not Single Wrist Action?
drewitgolf
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Both Swingers and Hitters arrive at the Top in similar positions. The
Swinger, however, uses a startup swivel Turning the left/right palms to the Plane right away and moves up the plane in that turned condition. The Hitter gradually Turns the left/right palms to the Plane (mirrors the rolling motion to get back into impact).
Swinger, however, uses a startup swivel Turning the left/right palms to the Plane right away and moves up the plane in that turned condition. The Hitter gradually Turns the left/right palms to the Plane (mirrors the rolling motion to get back into impact).
Jim Kobylinski
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Ok, i don't know how to make this more clear.
I'm not turning to the plane immediately like Tom Tomasello does in his videos, where the first move off the ball is a flattening of the left and a bending of the right. I'm allowing centrifugal force and my body to roll my left arm to the plane by the end of the takeaway (so the left arm and face are turned to the plane before the right arm folds and brings everything to the top)
It still "turns to the plane" just like an "immediate" startup swivel, i just don't do it like in the tomasello videos.
I know how to load for both and i am not loading for hitting.
I'm not turning to the plane immediately like Tom Tomasello does in his videos, where the first move off the ball is a flattening of the left and a bending of the right. I'm allowing centrifugal force and my body to roll my left arm to the plane by the end of the takeaway (so the left arm and face are turned to the plane before the right arm folds and brings everything to the top)
It still "turns to the plane" just like an "immediate" startup swivel, i just don't do it like in the tomasello videos.
I know how to load for both and i am not loading for hitting.
birdie_man
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I have no clue man....
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oztrainee
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Can we say that is a concious or a passive motion determin whether you are a hitter or a swinger.
If you are conciously using # 4,3,2 Accumuulator (51-100% in strength) and # 1 Accumulator (49% or below in strength we call it Swinger 4 barrel
And Vice Versa for Hitter 4 barrel.
Jim, while you are using your # 2 and 3 accumulator, are you using it simultaneously or in sequence?
But even thought if we are a swinger, we are using a little bit of the right tricep anyway, are we? Think about the aiming point concept.
If you are conciously using # 4,3,2 Accumuulator (51-100% in strength) and # 1 Accumulator (49% or below in strength we call it Swinger 4 barrel
And Vice Versa for Hitter 4 barrel.
Jim, while you are using your # 2 and 3 accumulator, are you using it simultaneously or in sequence?
But even thought if we are a swinger, we are using a little bit of the right tricep anyway, are we? Think about the aiming point concept.
billmckinneygolf
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Maybe some of you have ever tried to throw a ball with your left arm as a back-handed motion and recognized that it doesn't work anywhere near as well as with the right hand in a pitching motion.
I once asked Gregg McHatton whether I should pull with my left or push with my right. His answer was "pull with both arms". In fact, pull with the entire right side.
Some of you have made commments about my videos and how I teach right arm swinging like it is a fault. Go back to the original comment about how much more power the right arm added to his shot. Why not give it a try? You could always go back to the weak left arm if you keep flying over the greens!
I once asked Gregg McHatton whether I should pull with my left or push with my right. His answer was "pull with both arms". In fact, pull with the entire right side.
Some of you have made commments about my videos and how I teach right arm swinging like it is a fault. Go back to the original comment about how much more power the right arm added to his shot. Why not give it a try? You could always go back to the weak left arm if you keep flying over the greens!
How do you throw a ball with the back of your left hand?
I can toss a frisbee with my left hand- all pull- and bust a window.
Never saw your video- is the right arm the center of your right arm swing? I have no problem with a strong pivot lag that pulls the shaft straight inline and yes even with the right arm (bent at rt wrist) but the left shoulder is still the center of the swing.
I can toss a frisbee with my left hand- all pull- and bust a window.
Never saw your video- is the right arm the center of your right arm swing? I have no problem with a strong pivot lag that pulls the shaft straight inline and yes even with the right arm (bent at rt wrist) but the left shoulder is still the center of the swing.
David Alford
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<Once you override CF with an active, muscular right arm thrust -- you've just become a Hitter.>
The arms and club may have been primarily accelerated by CF and the right arm thrus may only contribute a little.
In this case, I would categorize the "swing" as a hybrid action or primarily as a swing action.
This may vary with the club. E.g. CF for full swings, and hitting for pitches, chips, putting. It comes down to a decision,
by habit or volition.
The knowledgeable golfer knows his options.
The arms and club may have been primarily accelerated by CF and the right arm thrus may only contribute a little.
In this case, I would categorize the "swing" as a hybrid action or primarily as a swing action.
This may vary with the club. E.g. CF for full swings, and hitting for pitches, chips, putting. It comes down to a decision,
by habit or volition.
The knowledgeable golfer knows his options.
birdie_man
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I can understand what he means tho.....if all the speed all the way up until that tiny, adding thrust of the right arm was built up by CF (i.e. rotation- hip slide is not cross-line, etc.) then.....well?
Depending on how fast the shaft is moving via CF, a relatively small thrust of the right arm will effectively pull back on the shaft, slowing it down. On the other hand, if the thrust is powerful enough, you'll simply push the shaft faster than it was moving. In any case, it's just a Hit. In the 1st case, the shaft gets unloaded too soon, and you'll be Hitting with a "dead" shaft.
billmckinneygolf
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Right-arm swinging and hitting are NOT the same..and throwing a frisbee is NOTHING like swinging a golf club (especially if you are a righty playing righty). The club weighs a fair amount more than the frisbee. And furthermore, you can use pitch basic to throw a frisbee, too.
And I don't know about you guys, but I want to know how many rounds of golf in which you've succeeded in never "adding" with your right.
I saw an amputee that could do it, but he might be the only one.
Didn't you ever hear about Homer saying that he preferred Hitting, anyway? "You want to feel like you're doing something." Thanks, Homer, for making it okay to use the right side.
And I don't know about you guys, but I want to know how many rounds of golf in which you've succeeded in never "adding" with your right.
I saw an amputee that could do it, but he might be the only one.
Didn't you ever hear about Homer saying that he preferred Hitting, anyway? "You want to feel like you're doing something." Thanks, Homer, for making it okay to use the right side.
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