well even better, they bent the PW down to 46, left the sand wedge alone and sold a shitload of "gap" wedges! PT Barnum had golf consumers in mind with his sucker comments I'm sure!
60* Wedge - Distance Control - Impact Parameters/Club Design
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well even better, they bent the PW down to 46, left the sand wedge alone and sold a shitload of "gap" wedges! PT Barnum had golf consumers in mind with his sucker comments I'm sure!
What about the knee high like shots from 30-60 yards out? How does that happen? It isn't a skull shot off the bottom of the club, but acts like one.
super shallow AA, low Dynamic loft. I mean low. 40s for a 60!
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Magicmarker, the reason a lob wedge is hard to fade any significant amount is because it has a lot of loft to begin with, and you are adding more loft when you leave the face open to hit a fade. Because of that, it is difficult to have enough of a face/path differential to tilt the spin axis very much. On the other hand, they are easy to hook because you are reducing loft when you close the face.
A 3 iron is the opposite: easy to slice, very difficult to hook and keep in the air. If you close the face, you reduce loft from an already low lofted club, and the reduced spin (and thus reduced lift) makes the ball fall out of the air like a "dying quail."
Good rule of thumb: low lofts are easy to fade, high lofts are easy to draw.
PS: this can be seen in practice when Bubba Watson hits a duck hook with a wedge at the Masters, and when Tiger, who is very dynamically de-lofted at impact, mostly hits trap fades, especially with lower lofted clubs, and often into left pins.
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When I try to hit my driver a fair amount higher I hit it straighter. Is that becuase I'm stretching out the top vector of the D plane through more dynamic loft (assuming other variables are somewhat constant) and by stretching out the top it becomes harder for the face/path disparity to tilt the axis of the ball?
What's the typical max height on tour for a driver (assume 118+ clubhead speed)? 120 feet?
When I try to hit my driver a fair amount higher I hit it straighter. Is that becuase I'm stretching out the top vector of the D plane through more dynamic loft (assuming other variables are somewhat constant) and by stretching out the top it becomes harder for the face/path disparity to tilt the axis of the ball?
What's the typical max height on tour for a driver (assume 118+ clubhead speed)? 120 feet?
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40 yards is on the high end; 30/35 more average
That's what I thought about their max height. I was fitted for 90+/- max height with my driver, however, when I hit it very high it goes straighter. I haven't been on Trackman to find the exact why but I assume there's more dynamic loft to stretch the top vector from the bottom vector so that face/path doesn't affect axist tilt as much.
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cwdlaw, I really couldn't say for certain why you hit the higher driver shots straighter, because when you say "assuming other variables are somewhat constant"....well, that is an extraordinary assumption...even for a tour pro. You may very well time the face angle better when you deliver the club with more loft...or you may deliver it better, and the higher dynamic loft may help, or some combination there of. Or, all of the above, and you have a more consistent impact location, and so on.
The difference in dynamic loft (and assuming attack angle hasn't changed...if you are truely doing that) is not going to be that different between the higher driver shot and the low driver shot. Is a couple degrees of loft enough to bust through all the other noise and adequately account for demonstably straighter shots? I have no idea.
Am I correct that the more the top vector goes vertical (in relation to the bottom vector) the harder it is to tilt the axis?
My question was a shot in the dark and I need to get data. Maybe by "adding loft" through body movement/axis tilt/hands I get a better face/path relationship.
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yes, you are correct, the more the normal of the face points "up", the harder it is to get it the normal to point to the side in relation to the path the head is traveling.
If you hit the ball straighter by adding loft that's fine, but how far do you want to take it? Higher lofts will always hit the ball straighter than lower lofts. If you are meeting a more optimum vertical impact, go for it, but I wouldn't sacrifice that just because you might think the face/path relationship is better.
Lindsey Newman
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Hey Virt,
Pretty sure I know the answer, but just want your take.
Around what loft does it become more beneficial to fade the ball?
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Lindsey
Pretty sure I know the answer, but just want your take.
Around what loft does it become more beneficial to fade the ball?
Thanks,
Lindsey
Thanks. I need to stop guessing and get on Trackman. I'm fortunate enough to have enough length that I can add some loft and still have wedge in!!!! Who knows, I'll have a new swing thought in a couple weeks anyway.
Brian Manzella
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Not a "new" swing, an improved swing.
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You also have to factor in ball speed too Lindsey, i see where you're going with this question and i have a guess as well but someine with more ball speed can get away with tilting the d plane more to the left because their ball speed will keep it in the air longer versus someone who can't.
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My guesstimate it somewhere around a 4-5 iron
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