...a Hacker/slicer comes for a lesson...

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quote:Originally posted by drewitgolf

quote:Originally posted by brianman

...he has a weak left hand grip/ poor right hand grip/ leans left at address/ right hip much higher than the left/ shoulders WAY open right forearm very high/ very,very cupped left wrist at the top/ way above plane/ total leakage/ vertical hinge action/ reverse pivot...

..what do you do first?

Have a cocktail;)

Say hello.
Put the player at ease.

Get background info (do they play any othwer sports, their style of learning, the amount of time to practice, any physical problems, equipment.....)
Tell them that to see improvement they must:
1. Understand
2. Remember
3. Have good information
4. Put words into feeling and pictures
Explain that you are going to give them something different then they presently have and if it doesn't feel different when they leave,then they have not made any changes.
The different feeling will become a habit with practice.

How a ball gets flight.
The design of the golf club and it's three functions and how they relate to three imperatives.
Specifics as it relates to their swing.......How the left hand controls the club-face:).

Two other things I forgot to mention
Stretching and most importantly, Ask the student what they want!
Remember the context of your question: "What do you do first?" Your question was not "What changes do you make in the players swing?";)

By the way what happened to the post on "a test"? What was the answer?
 

DDL

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Are you sure this guy isn't left handed?

I would start with palms faing together in the grip, then have the back of the left hand match the clubface leading edge.
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

I have fixed guys like this in less than 30 minutes....

I do it everyday.

Looking for more responses....

So far, I haven't heard anything that would make me want to hire you to teach for me.

gee, ya mean we didn't give 'your' answer?

Zone 1 - Pivot - at least Homer would agree right?

If you don't have balance and tempo, you won't have any other 'fix' for long.
 
OOps I mean't to say short chips with CORRECT right hand grip
with CORRECT on plane right forearm, with CORRECT down, down down and out action into inside back quadrant. Will someone please hire me????
 
The GRIP doesn't need fixed.. the relationship between the clubface and the hands needs to be fixed. ;) But I'm being picky.

Setup needs fixed... balance, and relaxation of the arms/wrists, and a mention of spine tilt and possibly ball possition (depending on if the ball is too far forward). Let them swing the club from this position with their eyes closed several times until they are used to the balance.
 
But which grip, Brian? You just can't old school it and move the knuckles to and fro. Setting the right forearm with a new right hand alignment can do more for a swing then one can imagine. Perfect address, perfect take-away. It is the prelude to a loud clack of the ball.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman



So far, I haven't heard anything that would make me want to hire you to teach for me.

Specifics as it relates to their swing.......How the left hand controls the club-face.[V]
 

EdZ

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If you look at the majority of great players over time, there is very little difference in right hand grip, where there can be big differences in left hand grip (but less so when just looking at the position of the left thumb). The positions of the left thumb and right palm are the keys IMO.
 
quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by brianman

...he has a weak left hand grip/ poor right hand grip/ leans left at address/ right hip much higher than the left/ shoulders WAY open right forearm very high/ very,very cupped left wrist at the top/ way above plane/ total leakage/ vertical hinge action/ reverse pivot...

..what do you do first?
First: briefly explain flying wedges. I like the concept of a straight left arm assembly and a right assembly with two bends, wrist and elbow as a way of teaching it to a beginner. Flying wedges are the single concept that contains 100% of the golfers daily minium requirement of TGM knowledge. :) Then....
I would set the right forearm on plane. Re-educate his right hand on the club so it is able to take the club up correctly to the top. I would put him a more of an A frame (centered head) instead of a tilted K frame (lean right). The proper set of the right forearm would stop the lean to the left along with a pre-turned right hip.
I’d like him to feel the sensation of pulling his thumb to the top (6b1d) over his right shoulder, this would prevent the cup of the left hand.

Hinge action later.

Why is A frame preferable to K frame. I thought K frame (reverse k frame) allowed you to coil better and get into left side better on forward swing.
 
quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

But which grip, Brian? You just can't old school it and move the knuckles to and fro. Setting the right forearm with a new right hand alignment can do more for a swing then one can imagine. Perfect address, perfect take-away. It is the prelude to a loud clack of the ball.

Six,
What is this grip that you are talking about, as it relates to the right hand?
Can you give us a description? or pic?
Are you saying that this new grip that you are using, is in the cup of the right hand?
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

...he has a weak left hand grip/ poor right hand grip/ leans left at address/ right hip much higher than the left/ shoulders WAY open right forearm very high/ very,very cupped left wrist at the top/ way above plane/ total leakage/ vertical hinge action/ reverse pivot...

..what do you do first?

looking in old posts and I came upon this, I am unclear as if you gave your final answer, hope you dont mind me taking a shot

first is grip because uneducated hands mess everything up. then I would bump the hips forward, this would change a lot at set up. by moving the hips forward it would drop right hip, drop righ forearm, make golfer lean a little right, get left wrist closer to flat at addres which would make it easier to get to flat, bowed, at the top, stop reverse pivot. makes extension easier after the shot which would encourage angled hinge.

If the student seemed capable, after that the third thing I would do would be to get a little right elbow bend to drop the forearm a little more.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

...he has a weak left hand grip/ poor right hand grip/ leans left at address/ right hip much higher than the left/ shoulders WAY open right forearm very high/ very,very cupped left wrist at the top/ way above plane/ total leakage/ vertical hinge action/ reverse pivot...

..what do you do first?

I didn't see anyone trying to ask what his expectations are. That way you can gauge your approach. And perhaps gauge how much he can take in and effectively implement. So the coach knows what's mechanically wrong... and perhaps knows how to mechanically fix the swing but his computer still has to do a lot of that work.

And you need to know whether he is here for one lesson or if you can convince him that he really needs a series or even a program depending on his goals and that word again... expectations.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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You fix the grip, then you fix the face. You watch this hacker who has forever sliced the ball to high heaven hit the biggest pull hook of his life. They give you the "oh my god look."

Once you get them to do that, you simply teach them how to hit the soft draw to straight. This is the easiest and fastest way to get someone to start hitting the ball: more solid, more control, and longer.

I use the same ideas when i help someone and it works everytime.
 
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