Brian Manzella
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I'd fix 'em in 20 minutes and then on to the next upgrade.
But, That's why I'm me.
But, That's why I'm me.
...a Hacker/slicer comes for a lesson...
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shootin4par
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the most important thing for a student teacher relationship is trust. A student must believe the teachers knowledge, and believe in the change the teacher wants the student to make, and why the change needs to be made. If the student does not believe the teacher 100% then he/she may deviate some from the teacher, and pick and choose info from the teacher, i have been guilty of this a few times myself 
in MY opinion, cross referencing is probably the most powerfull tool in teaching, not talking just about golf but teaching in general. Take the students knowledge of one subject and then relate that to the new subject, this greatly speeds up the learning curve. For example, you can relate swing path and club face to table tennis, bowling, kicking a soccer ball, throwing a baseball, hitting a hockey puck, rackettball, casting a fishing pole, physics, and probably more if I took the time to think. Effective cross referencing gains trust at a much faster rate. When I become a golf instructor one of the first questions I will ask is what other sports the student has played and if no sports I will ask what they have studied, hopefully by then I will have a usefull cross reference.
in MY opinion, cross referencing is probably the most powerfull tool in teaching, not talking just about golf but teaching in general. Take the students knowledge of one subject and then relate that to the new subject, this greatly speeds up the learning curve. For example, you can relate swing path and club face to table tennis, bowling, kicking a soccer ball, throwing a baseball, hitting a hockey puck, rackettball, casting a fishing pole, physics, and probably more if I took the time to think. Effective cross referencing gains trust at a much faster rate. When I become a golf instructor one of the first questions I will ask is what other sports the student has played and if no sports I will ask what they have studied, hopefully by then I will have a usefull cross reference.
Steve Khatib
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I really meant if you look at most people they try to learn gplf in 5 min. you wouldnt try to learn a piano in 5 min they need to understand incubation period you know the chick pecking at the egg!
shootin4par
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but if you got them to believe in five minutes then they now become accountable for lack of progress because they know beyond a shadow of a doubt what they must change.
I agree. Seems like you gotta do a little sales job and manage expectations up front. "Well Mr. Dingleberry if what you want is band-aids we got your band-aids. But if you want to get better it's gonna take you doing this and doing it for at least this amount of time. Now it's your choice. . . "
Steve Khatib
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The first 5 lessons are rapport and basically all quick fix with most. The student is wasting their money as they dont trust me even though they are paying me they still think they or their peer group know best, then if they stick around the real teaching starts. And I will start to tell them the truth.
Jim Kobylinski
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What some of you don't understand is that, if done correctly, quick-fixes have long term BENEFICIAL EFFECTS. Sure some teachers really do put a band-aid on an open gunshot wound and do help some.
However what brian has been able to do and what i've been able to learn from him is that if you truly know what you're doing and give them the right "quick fix," about 90% of that quick fix is stuff that should NEVER leave their golfswing, EVER.
The other 10%? That's the stuff you need to tweak
However what brian has been able to do and what i've been able to learn from him is that if you truly know what you're doing and give them the right "quick fix," about 90% of that quick fix is stuff that should NEVER leave their golfswing, EVER.
The other 10%? That's the stuff you need to tweak
Steve Khatib
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Jim I agree but the students wont allow us to spend a little more time to cover the components thoroughly enough to make the fix permanent. They all just think because you tell them to do this they automatically get it, there is a learning process that must occur and they dont get this.
shootin4par
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you are supposed to be the teacher and therefore you should set the cirriculumn. First good instructor I went to gave me the same lesson three times in a row, in the end I respected him for that because it had shown me he stood by what he believed in and that if I had to take the lesson three times, and pay for the exact same thing, it was me who was wasting my time and money, not him.
4barrels, with all due respect, it sounds as if you need to stand up to your students. The ones that are serious will make progress, which will lead to referalls of all their jellous golf buddies. THe ones that are not serious, well that is their problem.
Steve Elkington says that throughout his life in golf, he has found that if he understood a particular move he could do it and with practice could incorporate it into his swing. And when he began to grasp the sequence of things could practice anything he wanted with concentration but no confusion, because he knew how everything fit.
If this is his starting point for a swing change, shouldn’t an understanding and grasp of concepts and sequence be just as critical and desirable for the Hacker/slicer who comes for a lesson... ? In addition, wouldn’t the ability to communicate these concepts be the measure of an instructor?
If this is his starting point for a swing change, shouldn’t an understanding and grasp of concepts and sequence be just as critical and desirable for the Hacker/slicer who comes for a lesson... ? In addition, wouldn’t the ability to communicate these concepts be the measure of an instructor?
Steve Khatib
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Shooting 4 par you are correct I do, but I also analyse the teaching business as much as anyone including Brian I realise without getting a phyc degree how screwed up the average person is that they set themselves to fail before they even start.
This a big statement ;; The biggest cause of lack of development in golf lessons is students being out of gradient. they all want to skip steps and wonder why they fail. IF YOU CANT BAKE A CUP CAKE YOU CANT BAKE A CAKE(Ben Doyle)There is no substitute for a step by step cirrciculum as Homer says there are no short cuts. Chip and only when really mastered move to pitch etc.
This a big statement ;; The biggest cause of lack of development in golf lessons is students being out of gradient. they all want to skip steps and wonder why they fail. IF YOU CANT BAKE A CUP CAKE YOU CANT BAKE A CAKE(Ben Doyle)There is no substitute for a step by step cirrciculum as Homer says there are no short cuts. Chip and only when really mastered move to pitch etc.
Steve Khatib
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Well I am no instructor but I will give it a shot.
Since TGMis all about the 3 imperatives , I would start there. Put him into impact fix and have him hit pitches mashing down on a few balls aiming at the inside back quadrant of the ball, all the while trying to make a divot ahead of the ball (put ball in a divot or use a tee ahead of theball trying to hit off of there....) In no timne he will be compressing the ball and approaching impact from the right path. From there one can start increasing the size of the swing.
Since TGMis all about the 3 imperatives , I would start there. Put him into impact fix and have him hit pitches mashing down on a few balls aiming at the inside back quadrant of the ball, all the while trying to make a divot ahead of the ball (put ball in a divot or use a tee ahead of theball trying to hit off of there....) In no timne he will be compressing the ball and approaching impact from the right path. From there one can start increasing the size of the swing.
Jim Kobylinski
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I understand and why you need to put the majority of people into "quick fixes" that are SOUND INSTRUCTION. Most of these people won't take the time or especially the effort to tweak that other 10%. So they're left with something that is at least, much better than what they were doing before and you made the game more enjoyable for them which what is most are after.
Bobby, could you send me the details of the St Michael's event.
lavinasan@gmail.com
Thanks, I'm not too much in a hurry but might be interested =).
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Chris Lavina
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