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rundmc,rundmc said:Tried it. I see where you are coming from. I tried it feeling a FORWARD motion and a VERTICAL motion. The sensations are different and the LOOK is also very different. I actually think more torque or whatever is developed by the vertical move. Don't know if there is anything to that or not.
Mr. K said that the body only supplied the INITIAL acceleration and from there the right tricep takes over in hitting or CP/CF or whatever takes over in swinging. I don't want to debate the CP or CF or Triceps . . . but what would you say about the body supplying JUST the INITIAL ACCELERATION?
Here's another little thing I have been trying. Go to the top of the backswing . . . stop . . . and from that position HOP. I filmed it and the lower body action looks "professional." That is why I question whether the term SHIFT has screwed people up. I think that there certainly IS a shift but I also I have to think there is some PRESSURE (may not be the scientifically correct term but I ain't no scientist) going VERTICALLY into the ground. I'm not breaking any ground here for sure. Brian and may others have certainly said that is the case . . . but I'm not sure that there is science to back it up . . . but could certainly be wrong there too. I'm just lucky to have matching socks when I leave the crib.
So may be it's not a "power" thing but a support thing?
Check the 5th picture in the top sequence . . . seems to be more FORWARD shift. . .
This one looks more VERTICAL and DOWN . . . at about the same "position" or "time".
I agree that the vertical impulsive move results in more torque, a bit counter intuitive.
To say that the body always supplies the initial acceleration will not find universal contentment. There are many who feel that they swing the arms and use the body simple as a stable platform.
Your idea of ‘pressure vertically going into the ground’ is somewhat similar to Mr X’s idea –“More Golf Lessons With Mr.X”. He calls it Right Side Compression and his associated his drill is:
“When you have reached the top of the back swing you then drive the right shoulder extremity VERTICALLY DOWNWARDS TOWARDS THE RIGHT FOOT – not the ball – dragging the hands and the club along with it in ONE PIECE.”
If you start looking for it you will find these and other ideas expressed in many different ways. There is really nothing new in golf. We keep expressing the same things over and over but using different words, allowing us to maintain the sweet illusion of discovering something new.
Furyk's golf swing is an interesting example of a swing a bit away from mainstream. I don’t think there is either toppling over or counter fall. There is a somewhat different mechanism at work.
His hands are quite high at the top. There is a vertical drop till the trail elbow is trapped just behind the trail hip and then with a pronounced slide and rotation of the hips he whips the club through impact.
It appears to me that that he transfers torque, not so much through the shoulders/arms but from underneath via the hips onto the trail elbow. His upper body stays back whereas the hips are very active, whipping the arms/club through impact.
Gravity force is used to operate initially on the arms/club. Moreover, instead of a conventional weight shift it is perhaps more appropriate to envision his lower body motion as producing a direct force/torque input via the trail hip/elbow interface.
