Annika Sorenstam

[metallion]

ROFL. Skins Game.
Annika and Fred had a bet that Fred would get a skirt from Annika if she outdrove him.
Only took her three holes to releive her caddie from the burden.
Fred - a good sport - rolled up his pants & kept playing.

 

[TGMfan]

quote:Originally posted by mandrin

TGMfan acknowledged that “Up, Back, and In; Down, Out, and Forward” takes place in the 2 dimensions of a plane, you however tell me you have never seen this happen and implying the 3 dimensions of a curved surface.

Mandrin,

I think you misunderstood my comment about an Inclined Plane being 3-dimensional. It is, as "Up, Back, and In; etc." clearly demonstrates. Perhaps we could communicate more effectively if you tried to understand what we mean by being "On Plane".

 

[rundmc]

quote:Originally posted by mandrin

quote:Originally posted by rundmc

Based on the "arms and wrists hinging about their respective horizontal axix of rotation," if Annika were to not rotate at all (I'm assuming you mean her body/pivot) where would her arms and wrists hinging end? Her nose? Right shoulder?

rundmc, would you mind to reformulate so I don’t have to guess?

Sorry . . . I am assuming based on your post that you are saying Annika's "hinging" of the arms and wrists is responsible for the "upward" or "verticle" part of her swing. I may have misinterpreted what you were saying. So I guess that should be clarified first.

BUT . . .

If I my understanding of your post is correct, then my question is . . .

If Annika were to stand facing the ball with NO SHOULDER TURN or NO HIP TURN (basically no pivot at all). Then where would her hands end up as a result of the hinging of her arms and wrists? You said that they move in front of her. So with no pivot would the arrive directly in front of her? Or over her right shoulder?

Thanks!

R

 

[mandrin]

quote:Originally posted by TGMfan

quote:Originally posted by mandrin

TGMfan acknowledged that “Up, Back, and In; Down, Out, and Forward” takes place in the 2 dimensions of a plane, you however tell me you have never seen this happen and implying the 3 dimensions of a curved surface.

Mandrin,

I think you misunderstood my comment about an Inclined Plane being 3-dimensional. It is, as "Up, Back, and In; etc." clearly demonstrates. Perhaps we could communicate more effectively if you tried to understand what we mean by being "On Plane".

TGMfan, I like to remind you what you posted before: 'Granted that any Plane is a 2-dimensional figure .... '

I do adhere to the simple concepts of lines, planes, as defined in science. If you have your own particular definitions I would be glad to hear them, to facilitate communications. []

 

[mandrin]

quote:Originally posted by rundmc

If I my understanding of your post is correct, then my question is . . .

If Annika were to stand facing the ball with NO SHOULDER TURN or NO HIP TURN (basically no pivot at all). Then where would her hands end up as a result of the hinging of her arms and wrists? You said that they move in front of her. So with no pivot would the arrive directly in front of her? Or over her right shoulder?

rundmc, I don’t think I should carry this too far and making, answering questions, unwillingly, the impression that I have analyzed Annika’s golfswing to a great extend. I simply feel that my simple 3D model fits her swing quite well.

This implies little lateral shift and dominantly rotation about a vertical axis and a rather symmetrical arrangement of arms in front of body, moving up and down vertically in front of the body.

Therefore, to answer your question, the arms tend to stay rather centered in front of the body with the vertical hinging of arms and wrists, hence with no pivot they remain in front of her.

 

[TGMfan]

quote:Originally posted by mandrin

TGMfan, I like to remind you what you posted before: 'Granted that any Plane is a 2-dimensional figure .... '

Mandrin,

Perhaps if you read the rest of the sentence you'd understand better. We're talking about an Inclined Plane, which is a Plane inclined at an angle to the ground. That angle makes it a 3-dimensional figure. I'd love to see you go Up, Back, and In in 2 dimensions.

But really, the important point is that being "On Plane" means that the end of the clubshaft that's closer to the ground is pointing at the Plane Line. If your model satisfies that condition, then I have no quarrel with it. If it doesn't, then whoever uses it will have to make compensations elsewhere in their stroke to satisfy it at Impact - which would seem to contradict your claim that it's a "simpler" way to look at the golf stroke.

 

[MizunoJoe]

The only "real" requirement is that the shaft move on an inclined plane from release to separation.

 

[mandrin]

quote:Originally posted by TGMfan

Mandrin,

Perhaps if you read the rest of the sentence you'd understand better. We're talking about an Inclined Plane, which is a Plane inclined at an angle to the ground. That angle makes it a 3-dimensional figure. I'd love to see you go Up, Back, and In in 2 dimensions.

TGMfan, I will try to clear the fog through which you are bravely meandering about.

In previous posts you said:

“Since an Inclined Plane is a 3-dimensional concept , attempting to portray it on a 2-dimensional photograph is usually misleading”

“Granted that any Plane is a 2-dimensional figure , an Inclined Plane is that figure positioned in a third dimension.”

We're talking about an Inclined Plane, which is a Plane inclined at an angle to the ground. That angle makes it a 3-dimensional figure . I'd love to see you go Up, Back, and In in 2 dimensions.

You are mingling the concepts of space and objects.

Space by definition is three dimensional.

Objects exist and move in this space and are either having, 0 (point),1 (line),2 (plane) or 3 (cube) dimensions.

A plane, any orientation, is and remains a 2D object. A point or line, moving, contained in this plane, are constrained to move in the 2 dimensions as defined by the plane.

The ‘up, back, in, down, out, forward’ motions of a golf club moving along the surface of the shaft plane are hence constrained to a 2 dimensional space.

I prefer to leave this discussion so as not to engage starting to beat a dead horse.

 

[rundmc]

Guys . . . I'm not sure that the observation that Annika has very little Axis Tilt is accurate. I looked at a couple of her swings I record from the Skins Game . . .

I think that look-up move she does is throwing things off. First of all her head is STEADY right between her feet through the swing. The head and eyes do rotate excessively, but her head doesn't move laterally very much at all.

Second, I think that weird head thing distracts the eye from her Axis Tilt. I mean she doesn't have "perverted" Tilt. But the Tilt is definitely there. It's the head that catches your eye and it's tough to get past it.

That's my observation anyway . . .

 

[TGMfan]

quote:Originally posted by mandrin

You are mingling the concepts of space and objects.

Space by definition is three dimensional.

Objects exist and move in this space and are either having, 0 (point),1 (line),2 (plane) or 3 (cube) dimensions.

OK, Mandrin, let me summarize my model of the golf stroke this way: I try to keep the clubshaft (a Line) on Plane while moving it in Space. How does your model differ, and how do those differences make it a simpler way to describe the golf stroke?

 

[birdie_man]

Found a face-on:

http://www.progolflesson.com/pro/sorenstam.html

Too bad you can't do frame-by-frame.