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I've wondered why the overlap was invented by Vardon, with right pinkie hooking as espoused by Hogan. I think this supports the principle that the left hand should dominate, so all four fingers should be on the grip.

Just because vardon put the left pinkie on top doesn't mean he was correct. I'm right handed and for me the Vardon doesn't work. Maybe vardon was a leftie playing from then right or he had a very long pinkie or he was frightened of overpowering with his right. Who knows? But for me it has to be right dominance.





BTW Whats RFT? Forgive my ignorance.
 
Just because vardon put the left pinkie on top doesn't mean he was correct. I'm right handed and for me the Vardon doesn't work. Maybe vardon was a leftie playing from then right or he had a very long pinkie or he was frightened of overpowering with his right. Who knows? But for me it has to be right dominance.





BTW Whats RFT? Forgive my ignorance.

RFT=Right Forearm Takeaway. The supposed basis of this RFT is a video of Hogan explaining to Burke Jr. (and another person) allegedly that the backswing is done via the RFT.
 
RFT=Right Forearm Takeaway. The supposed basis of this RFT is a video of Hogan explaining to Burke Jr. (and another person) allegedly that the backswing is done via the RFT.

I certainly feel a (quiet) right hand take away but forearm is less prominent. As I said back swing is left a/s but transition and down swing is all right dominated for me. Thus my reverse overlap grip. ;)
 
How? How does your right hand create Alpha and Beta torques?

By pulling the handle in the direction that is needed to initiate these torques. Alpha, in the opposite direction to casting and Beta, in the opposite direction to throwing. IOW my right thumb drops diagonally towards my right shoulder. Easy!
 
By pulling the handle in the direction that is needed to initiate these torques. Alpha, in the opposite direction to casting and Beta, in the opposite direction to throwing. IOW my right thumb drops diagonally towards my right shoulder. Easy!
So external rotation of right shoulder?

Wouldn't that get the right elbow and hand too high to reach the slot?
 
So external rotation of right shoulder?

I would describe the movement of the right shoulder as being a dropping sensation rather than a rotation in the transition. I don't really understand what external rotation means, probably outward or forward would be my favoured terminology.

Wouldn't that get the right elbow and hand too high to reach the slot?

As my elbow and hand move downwards in the transition then high wouldn't be the case with me.
 
I would describe the movement of the right shoulder as being a dropping sensation rather than a rotation in the transition. I don't really understand what external rotation means, probably outward or forward would be my favoured terminology.



As my elbow and hand move downwards in the transition then high wouldn't be the case with me.
Would be too inconsistent and timing-oriented IMO.

I think thinking just keep the right hand gripping the club with two middle fingers and keeping left shoulder back WHILE turning the hips and on inside right foot (pushing off the ball right foot) is much more consistent. Right elbow drops near the side of right hip, right forearm lowers to parallel, right wrist rotates clockwise, right palm faces the sky/targetline, weight transfers to left foot and you get more torque between upper and lower body (Sigma torque?..ha), all automatically. I think Hogan is really right on this one.
 
No I won't, I'm not a pro. But every teaching pro should, and everyone else that challenges any idea.

I've seen every pro I've gone to and anyone I listen to that knows what they are talking about have seen their swing and proof is in pudding. I can tell you don't have much of a swing just by what you post. You can't have a decent swing with all these silly ideas you have. Nothing wrong with being cutting edge, you just are going about it totally wrong way
 
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I've seen every pro I've gone to and anyone I listen to that knows what they are talking about have seen their swing and proof is in pudding. I can tell you don't have much of a swing just by what you post. You can't have a decent swing with all these silly ideas you have. Nothing wrong with being cutting edge, you just are going about it totally wrong way
What are my silly ideas?

And who are the pros you've gone to that can "prove" it works?
 
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I actually learned them from people that have won...on tour...the PGA Tour...and Senior/Champions Tour...

The problem with you is you listen to people that are actually failures in terms of proving their teachings in the real battle...

And what I'm saying is actually simple, you actually understand it (I don't believe you're stupid) and moreso you actually agree with it...you just don't want people to know it to protect your benefactor or whoever is pushing you to do this.
 
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