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Hogan is right hand dominant in downswing...

So I have a Hoganesque down swing.

What is it that someone said about Hogan... "Shaking hands with Mr. Hogan was like shaking hands with three brass bands".

My right hand is dominant from transition to impact... and address to transition... and impact to finish. :D
 
So I have a Hoganesque down swing.

What is it that someone said about Hogan... "Shaking hands with Mr. Hogan was like shaking hands with three brass bands".

My right hand is dominant from transition to impact... and address to transition... and impact to finish. :D
Just to be clear, do you actually have a left hand?
 
Yes, and arm. The left h/a establish the radius of my swing arc with the shoulder being the centre.
Ok. Glad you cleared that up.

So you have an inert left arm. Usually accompanied by stronger left hand grip. If you use your hips to transition, that inert left arm is never going to make you find the slot/elbow plane early.

You need the left shoulder and arm to be pushing back and left hand flattening (thus not inert) while transitioning, in order to keep the shoulders back, maintain Alpha torque and add Beta torque.
 
Btw, it is wrong to say that the left arm establishes the radius of the swing with left shoulder as center. Totally wrong.

The actual center is the thorax/lower neck (middle of shoulders), wherein 2 circles or pendulums are attached in series. 1st circle's radius is from thorax to left shoulder joint. 2nd circle is from left shoulder joint in a straight line to the clubhead (not thru the left arm and hand).

People must realize that the 2nd circle's radius doesn't move around a fixed point. The center of that circle (left shoulder joint) moves all the time. So, one must know how long the radius of the 2nd circle (STRAIGHT LINE from left shoulder to clubhead), so that one will know where or what the height of the center (left shoulder) must be at impact in relation to the ball.

If you simply think the left arm is the radius, you'll most likely forever suffer having no room for the radius of the 2nd circle.
 
Btw, it is wrong to say that the left arm establishes the radius of the swing with left shoulder as center. Totally wrong.

The actual center is the thorax/lower neck (middle of shoulders), wherein 2 circles or pendulums are attached in series. 1st circle's radius is from thorax to left shoulder joint. 2nd circle is from left shoulder joint in a straight line to the clubhead (not thru the left arm and hand).

People must realize that the 2nd circle's radius doesn't move around a fixed point. The center of that circle (left shoulder joint) moves all the time. So, one must know how long the radius of the 2nd circle (STRAIGHT LINE from left shoulder to clubhead), so that one will know where or what the height of the center (left shoulder) must be at impact in relation to the ball.

If you simply think the left arm is the radius, you'll most likely forever suffer having no room for the radius of the 2nd circle.

Too complicated.This swing thought is not totally wrong. I imagine the left shoulder as the centre and return it at impact to its original address position maintaining the spine angle that was also established at address.

BTW, you can't have a radius that turns around a part of the body that is not a hinge and the thorax/middle neck is certainly not.
 
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Too complicated.This swing thought is not totally wrong. I imagine the left shoulder as the centre and return it at impact to its original address position maintaining the spine angle that was also established at address.

BTW, you can't have a radius that turns around a part of the body that is not a hinge and the thorax/middle neck is certainly not.
You can't have a radius whose center moves all the time either and expect it to return consistently at its original address location.

More importantly, you couldn't possibly return the center of radius to its original address location at impact because your left wrist would uncock more at impact than address.
 
I didn't realise my left wrist was uncocking at address.
Exactly the point. Your radius will actually be longer by a couple of inches at impact than at address because left wrist uncocks at impact. So if you just return the left shoulder to exact position at address, your clubhead will "overshoot" the ball.
 
Exactly the point. Your radius will actually be longer by a couple of inches at impact than at address because left wrist uncocks at impact. So if you just return the left shoulder to exact position at address, your clubhead will "overshoot" the ball.

I think I realised this about 3 minutes after starting the game, however my feel is that I return the shoulder to a very similar position to the address position at impact. The sternum thing is also slightly different at impact.

So, the swing arc is created using a moving hinge. Tree chop-choppers don't have a problem with this and neither do I.
 
I think I realised this about 3 minutes after starting the game, however my feel is that I return the shoulder to a very similar position to the address position at impact. The sternum thing is also slightly different at impact.

So, the swing arc is created using a moving hinge. Tree chop-choppers don't have a problem with this and neither do I.
And within 3 minutes you realized also that the clubhead will be super-steep thru impact (if you didn't chunk it) if you didn't get the left shoulder more open/higher thru impact?

That left shoulder as the "radius of you swing arc" is a fairy tale that got blown up here years ago,
Yup. Cause of so many invented compensations, especially goat humping, standing up, overly steep/off-plane shoulders, chicken wing, shaft lean, keeping lag intentionally, handle-dragging and impossibility of doing left side extension.
 
I think I realised this about 3 minutes after starting the game, however my feel is that I return the shoulder to a very similar position to the address position at impact. The sternum thing is also slightly different at impact.

So, the swing arc is created using a moving hinge. Tree chop-choppers don't have a problem with this and neither do I.

That left shoulder as the "radius of you swing arc" is a fairy tale that got blown up here years ago,

Eyes. Keep looking at the ball more straightly (as opposed to looking down). Extend your left side (or bend your right side of you prefer that feel), that will lower your eyes, which means you have to get left shoulder more open/higher.

And...the more you pre-cock your left wrist at address, the more you have to get left shoulder even more open/higher at impact. That's why just lowering your hands (pre-cocking left wrist), is problematic (Tiger).
 
The problem is that Tiger is working in Stage 3, Conscious Competence. Not a nice place to be. I'm a Stage 4 golfer myself (Unconscious Competence). A much better and less complicated place to be.
 
Tying shoelaces is a simple task (Stage 4). Learning to tie them from scratch is not so simple (Stages 1, 2 & 3) . Consciously explaining what you are doing when tying them is also very difficult (a Stage 4 unconscious competence explaining the task consciously, Stage 3)
 
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