Below Plane Syndrome - experiences?

[Jim Kobylinski]

IMO "below plane syndrome" is LARGELY caused by a faulty backswing and backswing pivot at the ROOT of the problem. Add in various clubface orientations and you have various ball flights. But the key is the backswing and the backswing pivot which is why imo, hint hint, soft draw fixes a lot of BSP even though it is a "draw pattern."

 

[macduffer]

IMO "below plane syndrome" is LARGELY caused by a faulty backswing and backswing pivot at the ROOT of the problem. Add in various clubface orientations and you have various ball flights. But the key is the backswing and the backswing pivot which is why imo, hint hint, soft draw fixes a lot of BSP even though it is a "draw pattern."

Aha - you've just answered what I was about to ask. I was considering puchasing the NHA dvd, but from what you're saying, SD might be more helpful. It just seems counter-intuitive to buy a 'draw' dvd when I'm trying to eliminate the lefts. I will be watching more of Brian's stuff on youtube too.

But as a quicky, if someone suffers from an over-inside takeaway and over-flat shoulder turn, would SD be the dvd you'd start with?

 

[Kevin Shields]

Kevin:

Give us some examples of your struggles and what you did to cure them.

What were some of the things that helped you from NHA ?

NHA was not the cure for me because push fades were the result of my below plane issues.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Aha - you've just answered what I was about to ask. I was considering puchasing the NHA dvd, but from what you're saying, SD might be more helpful. It just seems counter-intuitive to buy a 'draw' dvd when I'm trying to eliminate the lefts. I will be watching more of Brian's stuff on youtube too.

But as a quicky, if someone suffers from an over-inside takeaway and over-flat shoulder turn, would SD be the dvd you'd start with?

Absolutely SD.

 

[jake2]

Aha - you've just answered what I was about to ask. I was considering puchasing the NHA dvd, but from what you're saying, SD might be more helpful. It just seems counter-intuitive to buy a 'draw' dvd when I'm trying to eliminate the lefts. I will be watching more of Brian's stuff on youtube too.

But as a quicky, if someone suffers from an over-inside takeaway and over-flat shoulder turn, would SD be the dvd you'd start with?

It seems to have helped me. I think one factor is that in SD you keep your right elbow above left going back and that helps you to be steeper going back.

I do not know why, but find that I have to keep the same feeling (right elbow above left) coming down too, otherwise I still get below plane. Maybe it's because I over-accelerate my hands easily.

 

[wedgeplay]

BPS

I own all Brian's videos and really suffer from BPS.So much so that I never pull a shot but can push-hook it.My typical BPS miss is the straight push.

I started with NSA and really didn't help me out at all.

SD seemed to work better but not great for me.When I did the plane towel drill I always crash through the towel if I have the towel lined up on the outside of the ball.

I just got NHA when it came out and it seems to be the ticket.Can't play here because of the weather but I have been working on the NHA backswing along with "follow the yellow brick road" down swing.I'm missing the towel completely on the downswing.So I'm thinking I'm making progress.Actually the thing that really stood out for me in Brian's video is at the top you can move your hands out to the plane.Giving permission to get back on the plane because you are under it.

Now,the BPS is one that will drive you absolutely crazy.The problem if you get the ball pushing right is that you might think you are coming OTT or cutting across the ball.So, you start swinging more right and it makes things worse.

I really think that this is a problem where a PGA club pro can't diagnose correctly.Maybe I'm generalizing but I've taken a lesson or two and the response is that
1.)You must be aiming right of target.
2.)You must be coming OTT.

 

[rogerdodger]

I have complained about my bps here for some time. Probably because this problem is well understood by Brian and the academy. My common poor shot is a push. I am working on Kevin's suggestion to use SD backswing with NHA downswing. It really works, and keeps my left arm flying wedge from overrotating, both on the backswing and downswing.

 

[spider]

I have complained about my bps here for some time. Probably because this problem is well understood by Brian and the academy. My common poor shot is a push. I am working on Kevin's suggestion to use SD backswing with NHA downswing. It really works, and keeps my left arm flying wedge from overrotating, both on the backswing and downswing.

That is exactly what I have been trying out. If I use the NHA backswing I tend to lay the club so far off and attack from the inside even more. But if I use the SD backswing without crossing the line and follow the yellow brick road/NHA downsing seems to allow me to swing left.

Not sure if this is correct thinking but sure helps me to let the club release without the usual hold off I seem to have been utilizing.

I used to hook a lot but lately it was a push or a push fade and even a shank.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I really think that this is a problem where a PGA club pro can't diagnose correctly.Maybe I'm generalizing but I've taken a lesson or two and the response is that
1.)You must be aiming right of target.
2.)You must be coming OTT.

result of improper understanding of ballflight laws

 

[Kevin Shields]

Something else to try is to tee up a driver and see if you can hit it from your knees without hooking it and without drop kicking it. If you can, you'll at least know what has to happen to beat BPS for good.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I have complained about my bps here for some time. Probably because this problem is well understood by Brian and the academy. My common poor shot is a push. I am working on Kevin's suggestion to use SD backswing with NHA downswing. It really works, and keeps my left arm flying wedge from overrotating, both on the backswing and downswing.

You're certainly on the right track.

 

[Jared Willerson]

That is exactly what I have been trying out. If I use the NHA backswing I tend to lay the club so far off and attack from the inside even more. But if I use the SD backswing without crossing the line and follow the yellow brick road/NHA downsing seems to allow me to swing left.

Not sure if this is correct thinking but sure helps me to let the club release without the usual hold off I seem to have been utilizing.

I used to hook a lot but lately it was a push or a push fade and even a shank.

That is pretty much "Soft Fade"

 

[cmartingolf]

Something else to try is to tee up a driver and see if you can hit it from your knees without hooking it and without drop kicking it. If you can, you'll at least know what has to happen to beat BPS for good.

That is GREAT practice. It sure makes you "carry" your arms a little before you "put your shoulder in your right pocket!" The hookers plague.

 

[Wolfman]

Yellow brick road - yuck

I am a reformed BPS. SD backswing with a little twistaway, and with an NHA downswing, but the yellow brick road image didn't help. What helped me the most was when someone posted about a lesson he/she had with Brian.

Brian stood in front and to the left of the golfer, and told him to try to hit Brian. If I try to hit the ball about 10 feet to the left of my target and about 10 feet in front of me, I get a soft fade.

And it has eliminated the FATS!

I was ready to quit this game before Jim got ahold of me - thanks to this website.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Some "aha" moments, I see...

A slight variation of the SD backswing, coupled with a slight variation of the NHA downswing is the ultimate cure for BPS. You might even hit a little draw. Remember, Below planers dont have to go to the fade side of the matrix to get cured, although sometimes it is a workable fix.

 

[rogerdodger]

What are the variations to SD backswing and NHA downswings you refer to Kevin?

 

[cnadon]

moreover

What are the variations to SD backswing and NHA downswings you refer to Kevin?

And what's the element of the on knees swing that one needs to have?

 

[Kevin Shields]

And what's the element of the on knees swing that one needs to have?

Most people associete flat with under plane. If you can hit a straight shot or a fade with a driver from your knees with normal ball position you have what it takes to beat under plane issues. The true path of the head can be as low as you can go.....it just has to be higher than the handle.

 

[Notorious B.E.N.]

Kevin Sheilds,


It seems you fought BPS. I fought it for a year. When someone has BPS can you just aim left? Could you have aimed left?

...Or I'm guessing that everyone with BPS can't aim left that it requires something more?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Yes you can aim left to help guard against BPS but it isn't a "fix."