Jim Kobylinski
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The 2 iron of hogan's day was more like the 4 iron of today (loft wise.) He also did with with a wound golf ball that probably spun a lot more than the balls do today.
Ben Hogan's REAL Secret is...................
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The 2 iron of hogan's day was more like the 4 iron of today (loft wise.) He also did with with a wound golf ball that probably spun a lot more than the balls do today.
birdie_man
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Yes very true Jim.
shootin4par
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EJ, are you trying to yank our chains? ok, lets get the facts straight and do the math 200 yards, + 15 for the ball, now 4 iron loft instead of 2 iron so we should add 30 yards for that, that totals 245. one inch longer shaft equals about 3 mph, 1 mph equals about 2.5 yards so one inch adds 7.5 yards. 245-7.5=237.5, is that long enough for you? DOnt forget the launch monitors the pros use today to maximize ball spin rates and club shafts. However, I still think you are just messing with us and dont really believe what you are saying.
I have never seen Hogan play or hit balls so obviously it's only my opinion.But from everything that I've read he's not exceptionally long.I would love to have an insiders take on this.
That 2 iron Hogan hit didnt carry all the way.It bounced on the front edge of the green and it was nuked.He said it was the best shot he hit all tournament.
And Hogan's 4 iron would have been delofted to a 2 iron anyway.I don't think many players today deloft that much,perhaps Parnevick.
That 2 iron Hogan hit didnt carry all the way.It bounced on the front edge of the green and it was nuked.He said it was the best shot he hit all tournament.
And Hogan's 4 iron would have been delofted to a 2 iron anyway.I don't think many players today deloft that much,perhaps Parnevick.
David Alford
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I have no doubt Hogan would have often beaten today's best esp. on U.S. Open type of courses. Unfortunately, today's golf is oriented towards distance & the hardest thing to do (accuracy) is at a lower premium.
shootin4par
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Yeah, I guess hogan is the only pro who has forward shaft lean
Brian Manzella
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Hogan in his PRIME was LONG.
Period.
Period.
Delofting is when you arch your left wrist through impact.Shaft lean has nothing to do with delofting.You can have shaft lean with a flat left wrist.It's even possible to have forward shaft lean with a slightly bent left wrist.
My point is not to put Hogan down as a short hitter.He was probably long for his time.But todays tour have far bigger athletes and more of them.But I agree he would have been straighter and more consistent than any of them.
birdie_man
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I was waiting for you to chime in Brian...
Thanks for that lol...
Thanks for that lol...
Sometimes it seems that people think Mr. Hogan was a hacker (just like the rest of us) until he found his "secret" and dug his stroke "out of the dirt". The fact is that he was a darned good golfer, a professional, who just wasn't beating the rest of the guys out on the tour.
This article, although presumably simplified a bit, probably describes pretty well his "secret" and how he stumbled onto it. It also makes (what I consider to be) a good point, which is that his "secret" didn't change him from a hacker into a champion - it "...took more than one stroke a round off his score", and that was enough to allow him to start beating the guys he was losing to before.
http://www.benhogan.com/legacy/book/chap2.html
This article, although presumably simplified a bit, probably describes pretty well his "secret" and how he stumbled onto it. It also makes (what I consider to be) a good point, which is that his "secret" didn't change him from a hacker into a champion - it "...took more than one stroke a round off his score", and that was enough to allow him to start beating the guys he was losing to before.
http://www.benhogan.com/legacy/book/chap2.html
That is not the point.Of course you need forward shaft lean to deloft the clubface.The more you arch your left wrist,the more shaft lean and deloft you get,which is what Hogan did.Not everyone delofts as much as Hogan and just because other pros had forward lean doesn't mean they delofted the same amount.Even with a flat left wrist there will be some forward shaft lean,unless you play the ball off your left toe.
Although,unfortunately for me that is the only similarity.Whatever his length off the tee, at least he'd be in the fairway. I like what he said about preparing for the 1953 British Open: "I didn't practice getting out of the gorse or heather because I figured anyone who would get into it frequently wouldn't have a chance anyway."
http://www.benhogan.com/legacy/book/chap3.html
blacklabelpro
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Hogan was the embodiment of practicing it into feel and playing it into dependability (3-B). I personally don't think his particular technical nuances were the key.
David Alford
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<I personally don't think his particular technical nuances were the key.>
If Hogan departed from total accuracy of swing mechanics, he would be subject to the consequences just as any other mortal & the golf ball would swiftly say so.
If Hogan departed from total accuracy of swing mechanics, he would be subject to the consequences just as any other mortal & the golf ball would swiftly say so.
drewitgolf
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Hogan was mentally stronger than his competition.
He knew it.
They knew it.
...and he knew that they knew it.
He could out work them, out think them, and intimidate them, especially when "under the gun".
Edge to Hogan.
He knew it.
They knew it.
...and he knew that they knew it.
He could out work them, out think them, and intimidate them, especially when "under the gun".
Edge to Hogan.
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