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Jim Kobylinski

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palmreader...you've never see a photo sequence of a shaft bowed backwards at impact? meaning it's curved like this:

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Remember, even if you are driving your hands to low point and the shaft is deforming this way as it is almost impossible to store a stressed shaft all the way into impact...even if it kicks foward a couple degrees it will cause the launch angle to be higher.
 
If any of youeven think he's hitting (or thrusting) downward you are absolutely on crack. There's a difference between flipping and hitting up. Untill you recognize that, you'll never understand my arguement. his left shoulder is a good foot behind the ball at impact and his whole body is leaning backwards. That's why he hits it high with low spin. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!

You guys are reading your fealings into the facts instead of looking at it logically. Homer was wrong about optimal driver impact conditions. There are no two ways about it.
 
quote:Originally posted by Stumper

If any of youeven think he's hitting (or thrusting) downward you are absolutely on crack. There's a difference between flipping and hitting up. Untill you recognize that, you'll never understand my arguement. his left shoulder is a good foot behind the ball at impact and his whole body is leaning backwards. That's why he hits it high with low spin. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!

You guys are reading your fealings into the facts instead of looking at it logically. Homer was wrong about optimal driver impact conditions. There are no two ways about it.

If Homer equated "optimal" with maximum distance, then he was wrong. But optimal suggests a balancing act, and here, it is balance between distance and control.

Yes, with the Clubhead ascending as it Impacts the ball, backspin is reduced and it is possible to squeeze a little more distance (everything else equal).

However, when the ball is struck after Low Point, Impact tolerances shrink dramatically and it becomes easier to top the ball (or even miss it!).

If you place the ball just slightly before Low Point, you will produce enough Backspin for directional control, but not so much to significantly reduce distance.

At the end of the day, it's the player's choice. What's more important to you -- power or control? You think you can cheat the laws of physics and obtain more power without sacrificing accuracy by hitting up? Not a chance...
 
quote:Originally posted by Stumper

If any of youeven think he's hitting (or thrusting) downward you are absolutely on crack. There's a difference between flipping and hitting up. Untill you recognize that, you'll never understand my arguement. his left shoulder is a good foot behind the ball at impact and his whole body is leaning backwards. That's why he hits it high with low spin. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!

You guys are reading your fealings into the facts instead of looking at it logically. Homer was wrong about optimal driver impact conditions. There are no two ways about it.

Stumper, I agree with you 100%. There is no flipping by Bubba. he is hitting up, up, up. Club head goes up, his hands starting to go up before impact.
 
quote:Originally posted by palmreader

quote:Originally posted by Stumper

If any of youeven think he's hitting (or thrusting) downward you are absolutely on crack. There's a difference between flipping and hitting up. Untill you recognize that, you'll never understand my arguement. his left shoulder is a good foot behind the ball at impact and his whole body is leaning backwards. That's why he hits it high with low spin. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!

You guys are reading your fealings into the facts instead of looking at it logically. Homer was wrong about optimal driver impact conditions. There are no two ways about it.

Stumper, I agree with you 100%. There is no flipping by Bubba. he is hitting up, up, up. Club head goes up, his hands starting to go up before impact.

And more importantly, he is hitting up after Low Point, not before, which is what most hackers do.
 
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quote:Originally posted by Stumper

You guys are reading your fealings into the facts instead of looking at it logically. Homer was wrong about optimal driver impact conditions. There are no two ways about it.

If Homer equated "optimal" with maximum distance, then he was wrong. But optimal suggests a balancing act, and here, it is balance between distance and control.

Great point Tong.

Although....there was a pic in here a long time ago of a long-drive champion hitting down I think....I think his name was Mobley.
 
quote:Originally posted by palmreader

Hi Birdie, May be, just may be, Mobley can hit it longer if he tries to hit up (but less accurate)....

Mobley is one of the smallest guys in Long Drive. He wins because he has the most technically correct and efficient swing of any of them (not my opinion, but the opinion of most of the sport) he can't afford to give up yards. If he could be longer hitting up, he'd be hitting up. His swing gives him his optimal launch conditions.

My brother played in a fund raiser where Mobley would hit your tee shot on this par 4, 340 yd carry over a pond. I think he was better than 60% hitting the green.
 
Mobley uses an 8 degree Callaway Big Bertha Ti 454 driver. His swing speed is 135mph. To get optimal launch, he would need to have the clubhead going up. At level impact, 8 degree trajectory would make him hit tremendous "stingers".
 

Tom Bartlett

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I have played in tournaments and competed in quite a few long drive contests with David. He has a golf bag full of drivers. The conditions dictate which one he uses.
 

Tom Bartlett

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I'm sure he did Darby. I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just saying he has an arsenal to choose from (like most of those guys do). And, unlike most long drivers he likes to hit the ball fairly low.
 
quote:Originally posted by Tom Bartlett

I have played in tournaments and competed in quite a few long drive contests with David. He has a golf bag full of drivers. The conditions dictate which one he uses.

Tell us more Tom!
It looks like David has a very smooth tempo.
What's his ball flight like? How did it compare with yours?

Thanks.
 

Tom Bartlett

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Like I said, he likes to hit it low. He plays a draw most of the time. He has a really good golf swing and he doesn't hit many "funny" shots. He doesn't miss many fairways either. Last contest we were in together he won and I came in second (he got me by a yard). But, that was many years ago.
 
Thanks for clarity Tom. I wasn't trying to be a smart-butt. Just trying to say that its seems to me to be physicially impossible to take an 8 degree driver and hit down on it and get a launch angle above 8 degrees and we know computers say that you need a 13-15 degree launch angle to get optimal distance. Maybe he does hit low stingers that roll forever- but to carry 350 yards hitting down....

Tongzilla, can you explain this for me. Thanks.


quote:Originally posted by Tom Bartlett

I'm sure he did Darby. I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just saying he has an arsenal to choose from (like most of those guys do). And, unlike most long drivers he likes to hit the ball fairly low.
 
quote:Originally posted by Tom Bartlett

Like I said, he likes to hit it low. He plays a draw most of the time. He has a really good golf swing and he doesn't hit many "funny" shots. He doesn't miss many fairways either. Last contest we were in together he won and I came in second (he got me by a yard). But, that was many years ago.

Yeah, I have a stereotypical long drive swing in my head...sort of really long and fast, basically onorthodox, etc...But David's swing look real smooth and golf-like. Great rhythm too and nice stable head. Just a bent left wrist at the top. But it's obviously dead flat at impact:

MobleyImpactEdit.jpg
 
quote:Originally posted by Archie Swivel

Thanks for clarity Tom. I wasn't trying to be a smart-butt. Just trying to say that its seems to me to be physicially impossible to take an 8 degree driver and hit down on it and get a launch angle above 8 degrees and we know computers say that you need a 13-15 degree launch angle to get optimal distance. Maybe he does hit low stingers that roll forever- but to carry 350 yards hitting down....

Tongzilla, can you explain this for me. Thanks.

Explain what exactly? I'm no expert on spin rates and launch monitors [|)]
 
I think this is what I was thinking about earlier...

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1-L Machine Concept

15. The Club starts up-and-in after “Low Point” but the thrust continues Down Plane during the Follow-Through.

....that picture explains that perfectly.

What exactly is the deal with "during Follow Through" though...

I would've thought it would be "until Follow Through is reached."
 
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