Continued Research ...ISRAD

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birdie_man

birdie_man

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ISRAD lol...

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KK...

You are definitely bent over less...(I like it a lot)

Grip looks stronger, no?

Swing seems longer than before...even with a pretty squared up right foot. (weight loss?....u look good BTW Brian)

LESS of a Snap Release and hands ahead of the ball at Impact (+ less Acc. Lag)....with LESS Arched (or a plain Flat) left wrist at Impact....(NO Arched left wrist past Impact)...

And....

A Flattening right wrist post Impact??? (no more full roll?)

Shaft is pointing more at your sternum post Impact....

And yes as someone said you are swinging more left thru the ball....prolly due to new clubface control.

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This is crazy...

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12-25 longer? What club were u hitting (160-165) anyway?

What's the ballflight on that sucker? Traj/shape.
 
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Axel_WIngert

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...I know the answer. Brian- pick up the phone next time! I may have figured how it still works with the old concepts- slightly altered though...

(As a small hint to the others. Brian and I were talking about clubface control before he came up with his idea)

Axel
 
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Spike

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Axel_WIngert said:
...I know the answer. Brian- pick up the phone next time! I may have figured how it still works with the old concepts- slightly altered though...

(As a small hint to the others. Brian and I were talking about clubface control before he came up with his idea)

Axel
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Can't wait!!!
 
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Brian Manzella

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Good Answers....

When I put up all of the old post in an "archive" section, you all are welcome to do a search about my comments about Karsten MFG.'s "Ping Man 5."

I recieved a very nice video tape and a zip disk from the company in 1998 when I was working on a book about what really happens in the swing (no I didn't publish it).

Anyhoo, the video was of the PING MAN swing a mid-iron. For those who don't know, the PING MAN--unlike "Iron Byron," has a FREE wrist.

So, it has a naturally "lagging clubhead takeaway" and a couple other little items I will discuss in "The next big thing." But, the point was it is PURE SWINGING, and as far back as the old TGM forum, I argued with people who are "stuck in the book" that in PURE SWINGING, the clubshaft does NOT STAY UP THE LEFT ARM at all.:eek:

It is behind it, it hasn't quite caught it yet at impact, it catches it just past impact, and then....

IT PASSES IT!

Any stroke that shows on video or stills, the club remaining "up the left arm" for any length of time, is including HITTING!!!!

Got it?

Now, some folks hit it further Hitting and Swinging "so to speak," a 4-barrel pattern like Tom Bartlett or a younger Mike Finney...

but not me.

It has BUGGED the heck out of me that Chris DiMarco, who I can our run and out throw and who couldn't cover me in a hallway, hit is by me withease.:(

Well folks, I hit it MUCH further just swinging like the Ping Man.:D

Since Mandrin has convinced me about the fact that I can't "resist" decel at impact, and I decided to incorporate a few things that 90% of all PGA Tour players do, I hit it about 15 yards longer in the short irons, 20 in the long ones, and 25 with the driver.

Tom Bartlett measured me the other day and the other way (Not pure swinging) I was at about 105 mph with a Driver.

New way, about 115.

Folks with an $800 Taylor Made 460 TP driver with and upgraded "Tour Shaft," the ball goes pretty far at 115 mph.

But, Birdie Man/Paul, overall, did the best analysis.

The grip is stronger, posture is different, release point further back, club is only "up my left arm" in the interim between the frame before and the frame after impact. But NOT in the frame after.

My left wrist never arches anywhere near impact.

My swivel is more "Tour like."

What does all of this mean?

Well, it means that for a GOOD PLAYER with an already flat left wrist and lag, this is a good pattern.

But, my Never Slice Again, Never Hook Again, and Do It Right 0.9 patterns are all PERFECT PATTERNS for the right golfer at the right time.

Tom Bartlett being one of them.

But now, Chris DiMarco doesn't hit it by me anymore.:cool:
 
shortgamer

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Okay how did you change? I assume the swivel is probably the biggest change. Is there a thought or do you just let it go? Does the face still point to the sky with your stronger grip?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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So Brian, something could this be a reason why i gained so much swing speed so fast?

I rememnber when we did a quick face-on vid of me when you came to town the club really didn't as you say "stay up my left arm" very much at all after impact and i was a little disappointed with the "look" but obviously not the results.

Also my left wrist and swivel looked more like what you have now.

Pretty cool.

Currently i'm swinging between 112-115 with a driver and you know that was a big jump for me after Orlando.
 
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Brian Manzella

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shortgamer said:
Okay how did you change? I assume the swivel is probably the biggest change. Is there a thought or do you just let it go? Does the face still point to the sky with your stronger grip?
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I can do anything. So can most good palyers who tinker. Like, say, Tom Kite.

So I made this change in about 15 minutes.

Really.

"Wait Brian, why don't you fix the up-lift"? --Someone Willsay

I can fix it in one swing, but I hit it shorter, no matter the pattern, and I don't hit it any better solid-wise or straight-wise...

because....

The ball HAS NO IDEA. It only knows what the clubhead tells it.

And, "dese days, da clubhead is tellin' da ball to go real far and draw a yard."
 
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PChandler

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Brian Manzella said:
2-K, the flail.

(don't you love it when I quote the book...;) )

Yes Bob, it is because it bends.

I am working on a swinging chip shot, and so is Tiger.
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NewBrian

Is it "it bends" or "it is bent"? A active bending left wrist or an active straightening right wrist and a passively bending left wrist? To me it looks like you are "snapping" through now.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Does it matter?

The POINT is this simple:

If the club in the fram after impact, was STILL "up my left arm," the club would HAVE TO BE:

Going Slower!!
 
RicoSuave

RicoSuave

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so how to achieve it,
aiming point movement ?
... which idea must I have to let it go... or happen without stopping ?
 
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golfie

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Brian Manzella said:
The POINT is this simple:

If the club in the fram after impact, was STILL "up my left arm," the club would HAVE TO BE:

Going Slower!!
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Imagine far it would travel if there were no ball in the way and no divot. I was amazed when some people see Appleby rip a HUGE t-bone sized divot at Kapalua (Incredilbly firm fairways) and drool over the maintenance of the bent right wrist - three feet past the ball. Easy if the club practically stops.
 
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c21heel

c21heel

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Brian, I'm still confused. What is this thing that allowed you to hit the ball further? Or, is this something you plan to share in the form of a video or book?

Another question, does your new swing get away from the old swing thought of "hitting the box"?
 
mandrin

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Efficient transfer

Brian, it is interesting to see your lead arm hugging the chest through and past impact. Keeping a firm connection between lead arm and chest allows a more efficient transfer of kinetic energy from upper body to the lead arm.
 
Bill Miracle

Bill Miracle

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Can't see the video..

Bman, I can't open the new swing video. It says it is compressed with a compression that is unavailable. I am using Qtime. Can you give me some help with how to get it playing? I'm dying to see the new swing.

PS...this happens in both IE, Firefox and ...downloading the file to disk and trying to run from harddrive.

Thanks,
 
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