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Brian - Some General ??

I am in agreement that "free wheeling" should produce more speed than "trying to hold a position" (i.e. FLW/BRW) for a period of time during the swing.

Please explain the following:

1. If we accept that the Clubhead is "free flying" (per Mandrin) as it impacts the ball, do we accept the fact that hinge action (HH - closing, Angled - closing and layback, and vertical - layback) have no influence on the ball? Or can we still influence impact with the clubface, but not the clubhead.

2. Is it correct to say that the shaft reacts in the following manner, given a 'lagging clubhead takeaway'.

a. Takeaway - shaft would flex slightly and bow "away from the target". Minimal as there is not a lot of 'load' being applied.

b. Shaft recovers and now bows the opposite way as the player begins the loading / transition (what TGM what call "stressed" or clubhead lag).

c. At some point in the release pattern, the shaft begins to bow in the opposite manner (clubhead catching up to hands and the bow away from the target.

d. Pressure from impact and or contact with the turf, will now slow the clubhead and cause the shaft to now bow back to the "stressed / clubhead lag" position. This could occur even as the shaft begins to come in line with the right arm.

I am in total agreement that the ball only knows what it is told by the state of the clubhead / clubface during impact interval. It does not know if you have a FLW, a leaning clubshaft (except how that would influence effective loft), or where your head maybe. These will occur during an efficient swing, but sometimes "trying to make them happen as positions" can only slow the clubhead.

While video and stop action photography can be a big help in learning many things about the swing, it many ways it retards us by looking at the "stills" and trying to be just like that instead of realizing that there are no "positions" during motion.

As always, I enjoy your enlightened approach to learning / teaching the golf swing.

I just wish I would let myself swing my irons as freely as I swing the driver and 3 wood.

Thanks - Bruce
 
Are we sure a bowing shaft is a good thing? Can't the bow cause the clubhead to move slightly off plane. Homer suggested shafts stiff as possible would this be the reason?

The inventor of the Whippy club teaches you to keep the shaft inline - backswing through contact in other words do not bow the shaft.
 

Erik_K

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Are we sure a bowing shaft is a good thing? Can't the bow cause the clubhead to move slightly off plane. Homer suggested shafts stiff as possible would this be the reason?

The inventor of the Whippy club teaches you to keep the shaft inline - backswing through contact in other words do not bow the shaft.

Bowing of the shaft is a good thing and it's also tied club performance/fitting.

People with low swing speeds need a soft, or not very stiff, flex. They probably also need the highest launch angle possible as well...anyway, for fitting flex is indeed important. With higher swing speeds, then you can take advantage of stiffer shafts.

If the club is off-plane, that might have more to do with Torque-or actually twisting the shaft. Maybe with really crummy shafts it's possible to have a combination of bending loads and torques that physically move the head or part of the shaft off-plane - must be awesome to see that on video.

But merely stressing the shaft does not mean the club is off-plane. It can still be on the plane, just as if it were perfectly straight.
 
Brian Manzella said:
The "Fiddle Drill" is an example of a "Pure swing."

If the thrust of the straightening right arm is in-line with the shaft it means also a swinging motion,
because the shaft is pulled and not as in hitting pushed. correct ?
 
brian:
just had a visit with mike finney yesterday. he should send you some video on it. i am to work with the never hook again video and take that advice. are you saying your new method contains a bit of the never hook advice, or is it the other way around?
 

Brian Manzella

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Good question....pieman.

Heard about your lesson. You were in very good hands.

As for my "new" method, it is just a pattern, and to be honest, very similar to my pre-Ben pattern, except I have more snap and better impact.

As for the "Never Hook Again" pattern:

You swung way too far to the right, lots of folks do.

The NHA pattern is a swing more left pattern, with the needed adjustments to the pivot and the clubface.

It never was, and isn't now, a BIG forward lean pattern.

Let me know how it is going...
 
Do you think you could have the same amount of control and power with hands a little lower at the top?


Absolutely, positively not.

Your hands are significantly higher at the top relative to your "hat" and other swings you posted. The readings I've encountered suggest this one of the sources for greater power. The answer to the post above may suggest you are in agreement.

One of the major differences between the young and mature Hogan where distance may have been sacrificed for accuracy...
 

rwh

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Swinger's Flail ?

FredCouples-SwingersFlail.jpg



Is Freddie's left wrist a result of the "Swinger's Flail"? I notice that lots of touring pros have this look - Ernie Els, for example.
 

Damon Lucas

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Extra strong grip + a pure swinger will explain much of this picture.
Having educated hands takes care of the rest ...
 
There must be a very fine line between pure swinging and flipping.

Ya ur right.

As Brian says "You're moving TOWARDS a bent left wrist."

"Towards throwaway."

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And it CAN turn into Throwaway pretty easily I think. (for those untrained anyway)
 
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