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self-mastery

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Matt F. said:
Anybody wanna give the specifics on his pattern?

Another question, how come none of these long drive guys can't play golf? If this Mike Austin could drive it 500 yds I would think he could of drove every par 4 and putting would only have to be lousy to mediocre.
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He obviously didn't average 500 yards off the tee. Come on!!! Jeez. The long ball doesn't guarantee low scores, but it does make the game a bit easier. Short players have to be good at EVERYTHING.

LD is about hitting what 1 out of 6 balls in the grid, it's not golf.

Guitar Hero has 2 videos of a lesson he received from MA on youtube. He's probably the go to guy on this forum for MA stuff... Puttmad would be second.
 
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vjsinger

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Sadlowski

I have a feeling that a Sadlowski move would be prevalent at the Manzella Junior academy..No?? Do his analysis first...
 
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According to all the websites I have went to they say Mike Could summon up 150 mph swing speed when he wanted to. What is it with all these Mike Austin guys, every website about Mike Austin is trying to sell some sort of contraption or training aid?
 
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As a long-time consumer of everything golf, there are few things that make me want to run from a room faster than someone who wants to sell me "the secret." And if "the secret" is packaged along with the names of Moe Norman, Mike Austin, or Ben Hogan, I run from the room even faster. At least with Ben Hogan, you can sort of understand the fascination. He won a lot of big tournaments, and maybe he developed a particularly good pattern we should examine closely.

Ok, Moe Norman was a good ballstriker and his swing looked a little different than some, even if it was partly a little posing and styling or a personal flourish or two. Ok, Mike Austin was a very long hitter, I believe that. His swing looks like a powerful swing.

But please, please, please spare me ANY stories of 515 yard drives at a tournament in the desert in 1969 or the super secret hidden secrets of golf. Add some really blurry video from the '60s, and I get the feeling we're stalking the Bigfoot of golf. You might as well be selling x-ray vision eyeglasses and live seahorses in the back of Mad Magazine when you sink to that level.

So why worship a long driver or good ballstriker of 30-40-50 years ago (especially if they never won 4-5 major championships)? Does anyone really think they knew something about good ballstriking or long driving had some super-secret that the current golfers don't (intuitively) know or use? I totally disbelieve that.

Someone can prove me wrong.

In fact, PLEASE prove me wrong by stating in 150 words and in plain english something that some holder of some ancient golf secret did then that golfers who hit it good or long now don't do today. In fact, I'll settle for a description of one distinctive element in the Norman or Austin method that is distinctive and couldn't be discerned from studying golfers of today. Just one. Give me a single logical reason to look at Austin or Norman (who seem to have developed more of a cult following than anyone but Hogan) and think they had something no one since has had.

Personally for me, as the jaded golf consumer, someone can have a very effective and very useful teaching aid, but they taint it by associating it with the concept of ancient secrets and the ancient mystics of golf.
 
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Steve Greffen

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PLEASE prove me wrong by stating in 150 words and in plain english something that some holder of some ancient golf secret did then that golfers who hit it good or long now don't do today.
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C'mon they won't do that even if they could (and I don't think they could) because then they wouldn't be able to get you to buy what they can't tell you anyways!!

I agree with you the secret is...stop looking for secrets and start improving your own swing. I know some old timers here that fiddle and read anything and everything and one day they have the Nirvana, and the next day it is poop. It is hard to improve these guys because they can't stick to one thing for any measurable time. One guy I know got into the Stack and Tilt videos and the next month he borrowed someones Jimmy Ballard tapes! Not saying you can't learn from both but find a method and work on it. As poor as some of the instruction is out there, I think some players just can't help themselves and have to monkey around to find the "secret" and that limits their progress.

On a positive note I suppose it does feed the business of golf! (unless they quit because they suck so bad!)
 
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Niblick!!! There isn't a secret, but there is a sequence of moves that will give you BAM. I'm willing to bet that less than 10% of the forum could pull off his sequence. It really is the difference between a formula one race car, and a civic. 3 payments of $99.99 and it's yours.

I think that most of the folks that chase MA's pattern are too weak, old, and slow to make it work. The same goes for people that want to swing like Snead and Hogan. Hogan is a little bit easier to follow once you throw away his books, and discard everything you've read about him. Forget about pivoting as well as H, S, and A.
 
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Bolt said:
C'mon they won't do that even if they could (and I don't think they could) because then they wouldn't be able to get you to buy what they can't tell you anyways!!

I agree with you the secret is...stop looking for secrets and start improving your own swing. I know some old timers here that fiddle and read anything and everything and one day they have the Nirvana, and the next day it is poop. It is hard to improve these guys because they can't stick to one thing for any measurable time. One guy I know got into the Stack and Tilt videos and the next month he borrowed someones Jimmy Ballard tapes! Not saying you can't learn from both but find a method and work on it. As poor as some of the instruction is out there, I think some players just can't help themselves and have to monkey around to find the "secret" and that limits their progress.

On a positive note I suppose it does feed the business of golf! (unless they quit because they suck so bad!)
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I love that logic. Strive for consistency through change. Has there ever been an oxymoron of such levels:confused:
 
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ggsjpc said:
I love that logic. Strive for consistency through change. Has there ever been an oxymoron of such levels:confused:
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Every place I have every worked or been around golfers there have been many players like this. Some that I have seen just finally say enough is enough and quit. It's like what did you expect, Farting around with a billion swing theories would make you more consistent and better??
 
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Why is it that the dead guys have all the answers? Melhorn, Austin... I find it interesting that someone takes their lifeswork and markets it as the"answer". I would love to see an analysis of Danny Lee's swing, from Brian's perspective, not Austin's. I also would like more pictures of Lorena's rear end, not Austins.
 
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self-mastery said:
Niblick!!! There isn't a secret, but there is a sequence of moves that will give you BAM. I'm willing to bet that less than 10% of the forum could pull off his sequence. It really is the difference between a formula one race car, and a civic. 3 payments of $99.99 and it's yours.
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3 payments of $99.99. Will I get some x-ray vision glasses with that?:)

Now c'mon here, Self-Mastery, let's hear the unique part of the MA pattern. Or just a quick list of the distinctive pattern elements to the BAM pattern. (If someone can't list that, then it is a marketing hook designed to get people to buy something that they wouldn't buy just on the merits, right?)

(hey, I thought Emeril invented the "BAM" pattern.:))
 
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rogerdodger said:
Why is it that the dead guys have all the answers? Melhorn, Austin... I find it interesting that someone takes their lifeswork and markets it as the"answer". I would love to see an analysis of Danny Lee's swing, from Brian's perspective, not Austin's. I also would like more pictures of Lorena's rear end, not Austins.
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Yeah, people won't start writing about Nicklaus' secret for a while, will they? Till then you could just go ask him. If a guy's secret who never won a major is worth $299, what is Jack's "secret" going to be worth?
 
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I agree with some of the comments about Austin.

It may be blasphemy, but I don't think Austin ever hit it 515 in competition, I just don't buy it.

While, I could never imitate his pattern, I buy a little bit more into Moe Norman. I have just heard too many people state he was one of the best ball strikers they have ever seen. He figured out something that worked for him. Has a ton of course records, 19 witnessed hole in one's, etc. etc.

I just think mentally he had some issues that kept him from maximizing his potential.
 
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mb6606

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There is no magic that will allow the average person to throw 95 mph fastballs or dunk basketballs. Is there is anyone on the PGA tour that drives 10% further from one year to the next?
 
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