David Lee Alford Posts 'em up!
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birdie_man
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It could be him hitting the concrete....?
lol....(old driver I hope)
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It's weird but sound or no sound he's got a great swing.
lol....(old driver I hope)
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It's weird but sound or no sound he's got a great swing.
If he has to resort to that for the sound of ball compression, I suggest he tee up a wiffle ball and dub this in
http://media.putfile.com/Ogrady-Driver-on-course
David Alford
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MJ, I'm just nipping the cement. Nothing was doctored.
Shaft is stiff.
On my Kiwi 'puter here, the Hogan movie didn't show play/pause buttons for me, so it's hard to isolate the frames.
"Standing up" post impact is correct for MORAD. The left leg straightens dramatically. The body moves upward! Hogan does it too, but later, depending on which clip of his you analyze. Earlier or later, both are easy...
The main difference I noticed was I forgot to do my Hogan head action. It's been awhile since I worked on this swing. And, these are just two swing models out of thousands...I'm lucky my nervous system hasn't crashed, lol!
Shaft is stiff.
On my Kiwi 'puter here, the Hogan movie didn't show play/pause buttons for me, so it's hard to isolate the frames.
"Standing up" post impact is correct for MORAD. The left leg straightens dramatically. The body moves upward! Hogan does it too, but later, depending on which clip of his you analyze. Earlier or later, both are easy...
The main difference I noticed was I forgot to do my Hogan head action. It's been awhile since I worked on this swing. And, these are just two swing models out of thousands...I'm lucky my nervous system hasn't crashed, lol!
David Alford
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Stiff grahphite = stiff/extrastiff steel, I think. Clubs don't matter that much to me. I prefer a nice set, but you should be able to hit the ball well with just about anything.
birdie_man
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Which swing do you hit it better with Dave?
David Alford
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Birdie Man, I really don't like MORAD and it's not a swing model that is in my top selections.
I just wanted to show I could do it as good as Mac. My main point is to take swings apart to get at their DNA & to "demystify" them. I think an honest appraisal will show my swing angles are as good if not better than Mac's.
Despite all of Mac's b.s.,there is nothing super complex here. I'm tossing it on the dustpin which includes thousands of models I have had to waste my time with.
I have a much higher opinon of the Hogan Model as well as Tiger Wood's model. The TW model is one of the simplest swings out there, but he doesn't get the angles you see with the Hogan model.
I'll take either over MORAD. That said, if you do things right, one can hit the ball pefectly with MORAD. As one can with Moe Norman's swing. Or hitting models.
Personally, I like hitting models, as a matter of fact. Lynn Blake and I have nearly identical hit models & we've never really corresponded on that. I recommend a right hand hit. Or Hogan. Or TW's swing if you're a little more athletic. Moe Norman's swing is very doable if you get outside of the Natural Golf distoritions and actually do what Moe did.
And there are a few others...
I just wanted to show I could do it as good as Mac. My main point is to take swings apart to get at their DNA & to "demystify" them. I think an honest appraisal will show my swing angles are as good if not better than Mac's.
Despite all of Mac's b.s.,there is nothing super complex here. I'm tossing it on the dustpin which includes thousands of models I have had to waste my time with.
I have a much higher opinon of the Hogan Model as well as Tiger Wood's model. The TW model is one of the simplest swings out there, but he doesn't get the angles you see with the Hogan model.
I'll take either over MORAD. That said, if you do things right, one can hit the ball pefectly with MORAD. As one can with Moe Norman's swing. Or hitting models.
Personally, I like hitting models, as a matter of fact. Lynn Blake and I have nearly identical hit models & we've never really corresponded on that. I recommend a right hand hit. Or Hogan. Or TW's swing if you're a little more athletic. Moe Norman's swing is very doable if you get outside of the Natural Golf distoritions and actually do what Moe did.
And there are a few others...
David Alford
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Chris, I was in Dunedin at the Marine Biological Station for a visit. I played a tough little links course at Ahipara (N. Island). Even par on the front nine. Then the wind blew up. Jeeze! Course record is only 68, so it isn't easy. Practiced at Timaru (Levels) and was impressed the locker rooms were left open after hrs. Green fees on the honor system. Wonderful!
tongzilla
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Mac O'Grady:
http://media.putfile.com/Mac-Ogrady--Driver
Ben Hogan:
http://www.megspace.com/sports/moetown/videos/hogan_side_clip2.html
'Nuff said.
David,
If your ever in Dunedin again, feel free to drop me a line and we could meet for a round or a coffee. New Zealand is a great place for golf (more courses per capita than anywhere in the world supposedly), but sometimes seems a little isolated from the rest of the world. It'd be neat to meet up with someone from off these boards.
Regards,
Chris
If your ever in Dunedin again, feel free to drop me a line and we could meet for a round or a coffee. New Zealand is a great place for golf (more courses per capita than anywhere in the world supposedly), but sometimes seems a little isolated from the rest of the world. It'd be neat to meet up with someone from off these boards.
Regards,
Chris
mrodock
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I certainly can appreciate Tongzilla's point. It's pretty damn bold saying your swing alignments are better than O'Grady's. When Jonathan Byrd rates his swing and Hogan's he rates himself a 3.5 and Hogan a 9.5. Byrd isn't giving himself enough credit obviously, but you get the point. David, I certainly agree that O'Grady does stand up a bit through impact, but he is certainly not on his left toe at impact. You stay solid on your left foot through impact and I'm willing to put you in the O'Grady category though. Don't get me wrong David, my swing looks like a pile of **** compared with probably any of your's. Also, I find your swings to be extremely good. I would absolutely love to see you imitate the Tiger Wood's model, both face-on and down-the-line.
Why do you discount O'Grady's method so much? Can you generate the same kind of clubhead speed with a Moe Norman type swing? What is your clubhead speed anyway?
Matt
Why do you discount O'Grady's method so much? Can you generate the same kind of clubhead speed with a Moe Norman type swing? What is your clubhead speed anyway?
Matt
David Alford
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Here's the rest of the story on this clip. I was TRYING to straighten the left leg early, on both the MORAD swing and Hogan's. I shot a few clips and the leg flex was retained longer than what I was looking for. Maybe that would have made everyone happier. But, I went back and PURPOSELY straightened the left leg sooner so it would more closely match the clips I have of both Mac and Hogan.
Re: swing angles, I don't know how I can possibly increase them...the shaft is almost hitting my shoulders on the downswing it is lagged so much. I don't see this in the clips I have of Mac, nor the severe angles midway down although he is excellent there.
Matt, I don't like MORAD, because I don't see it as a practical method for the average dedicated golfer. Preferably, I would have been AMAZED by the model. I wasn't. I realize, these are debatable points & I don't want to open up a whole can of worms on early set vs. other models,..so I'll just say, that is only MY opinion & leave it at that for now.
That said, there IS a solution to the early set dilemma...a natural, repeatable way. Works great, but there is no magic bullet. If I didn't WORK on these swings, no telling where the ball would go...until the model is mastered. I don't have the talent to get by with something done just fairly well. It would be like an engine "almost put together right"...expect horrible results, in that case.
Re: clubhead speed, I'd rather not say because whatever I say would be considered "b.s." or "not as good as TW, etc.". I'll just say, I probably hit the ball harder than most guys on the Senior tour & I'm 57. Personally, my clubhead speed is a little slower with Moe's swing compared to swinging MORAD, but Moe's swing is surpisingly efficient if you do it correctly. To give you an idea, I batter the 250 yd. marker in the air with range balls. About the distance Moe was hitting, according to what Jack K. told me.
I made another tape, going from a hitting model to MORAD to Hogan to Moe Norman to Tiger Woods to Lee Trevino with no warmups between models. But it was pretty long and you couldn't see the flight of the ball. I made a similar clip for EdZ and it did show some ball flight. He can comment on it if he likes. I don't think that one included the TW or Trevino model.
If anyone wants to isolate the individual frames to make an entire sequence to compare to the one Brian did for Hogan, you have my permission. The frames are close. It would help a little if I went back and used spikes on grass vs. being on cement.
Re: swing angles, I don't know how I can possibly increase them...the shaft is almost hitting my shoulders on the downswing it is lagged so much. I don't see this in the clips I have of Mac, nor the severe angles midway down although he is excellent there.
Matt, I don't like MORAD, because I don't see it as a practical method for the average dedicated golfer. Preferably, I would have been AMAZED by the model. I wasn't. I realize, these are debatable points & I don't want to open up a whole can of worms on early set vs. other models,..so I'll just say, that is only MY opinion & leave it at that for now.
That said, there IS a solution to the early set dilemma...a natural, repeatable way. Works great, but there is no magic bullet. If I didn't WORK on these swings, no telling where the ball would go...until the model is mastered. I don't have the talent to get by with something done just fairly well. It would be like an engine "almost put together right"...expect horrible results, in that case.
Re: clubhead speed, I'd rather not say because whatever I say would be considered "b.s." or "not as good as TW, etc.". I'll just say, I probably hit the ball harder than most guys on the Senior tour & I'm 57. Personally, my clubhead speed is a little slower with Moe's swing compared to swinging MORAD, but Moe's swing is surpisingly efficient if you do it correctly. To give you an idea, I batter the 250 yd. marker in the air with range balls. About the distance Moe was hitting, according to what Jack K. told me.
I made another tape, going from a hitting model to MORAD to Hogan to Moe Norman to Tiger Woods to Lee Trevino with no warmups between models. But it was pretty long and you couldn't see the flight of the ball. I made a similar clip for EdZ and it did show some ball flight. He can comment on it if he likes. I don't think that one included the TW or Trevino model.
If anyone wants to isolate the individual frames to make an entire sequence to compare to the one Brian did for Hogan, you have my permission. The frames are close. It would help a little if I went back and used spikes on grass vs. being on cement.
David Alford
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Thanks, Chris. The people here have been great and the Kiwis are really keen players. I'd like to think my critics here would also be friendly in person, but I have my doubts when some resort to using an alias to knock the other guy down.
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