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David Alford
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Tongzilla, I have some clips of Mac hitting driver where he is falling over backwards his balence is so bad, and some of Hogan where he overswings and looks jerky. If you want to put a swing in slo motion, it does look smoother. Go to Jim McLean's video on Hogan and watch him hitting iron shots (this is one of the clips at the end). Left leg quickly straightens, more than the his clip you have given above. It just depends on which swing of either player we are analyzing. There is varaiance. I have no criticisms of Hogan at his very best.
David Alford
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Matt, I'm in NZ! Thanks for your interest, though.
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Matt, there are various ways to get it...a big subject. We would have to define our terms as to what "lag" means to properly address the subject. But, from what you are probably referring to, Hogan used a change of direction and speed. It's a little more complicated than that, though.
Tongzilla, I got to the Mac link. Quite different from what he was calling MORAD for the most part of his career. He still has less lag, padn'er. Look at his club in the first frames of the downswing.
My criticsms are primarliy that I don't believe the MORAD model is a good choice for the average dedicated golfer. Surprise, I'm really thinking about this "person".
I don't have the experience some here, eg. Brian, has in working with golfers of different skill levels. That being the case, I tend to be impatient with overly complex swings. Probably, experienced instructors will agree...
Tongzilla, I got to the Mac link. Quite different from what he was calling MORAD for the most part of his career. He still has less lag, padn'er. Look at his club in the first frames of the downswing.
My criticsms are primarliy that I don't believe the MORAD model is a good choice for the average dedicated golfer. Surprise, I'm really thinking about this "person".
I don't have the experience some here, eg. Brian, has in working with golfers of different skill levels. That being the case, I tend to be impatient with overly complex swings. Probably, experienced instructors will agree...
mrodock
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David,
As someone who creates a decent amount of clubhead lagging starting down, and has throw-away, I am always searching for new things to try, new things to work on. I finally got a good video camera so I actually have the ability to really monitor what swing variations do to my lag, if anything. I know if I can fix this weakness in my swing I am on my way to becoming a player. Any and all information you would be willing to share on variations in creating maximum lag would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt
As someone who creates a decent amount of clubhead lagging starting down, and has throw-away, I am always searching for new things to try, new things to work on. I finally got a good video camera so I actually have the ability to really monitor what swing variations do to my lag, if anything. I know if I can fix this weakness in my swing I am on my way to becoming a player. Any and all information you would be willing to share on variations in creating maximum lag would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt
David Alford
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http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=2/5120314182.jpg&s=x402
Downswing has started. Mac's clubshaft is still well above the shoulders vs. Sergio, Hogan, or yours truly where the lag is near the human limit. It the shaft hits the shoulders, that is the limit, period. All is not 100% rosey, as timing enters into the equation.
Downswing has started. Mac's clubshaft is still well above the shoulders vs. Sergio, Hogan, or yours truly where the lag is near the human limit. It the shaft hits the shoulders, that is the limit, period. All is not 100% rosey, as timing enters into the equation.
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Matt, it just depends on which model you are using...if you are having major troubles with swinging, I highly recommend the right hand/arm hit that has been well discussed in these forums; although naturally,
I do things a little differently. Tongzilla, can you reply to Matt? as I'm on vacation and have already posted too much.
I do things a little differently. Tongzilla, can you reply to Matt? as I'm on vacation and have already posted too much.
David Alford
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mrodock...last post for awhile...yes, but the club drops into a flatter plane, so all is well. If..IF...you choose to go this route.
David Alford
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**When Jonathan Byrd rates his swing and Hogan's he rates himself a 3.5 and Hogan a 9.5. Byrd isn't giving himself enough credit obviously,**
I wanted to respond to that. Personally, I'd give the sequence I have seen of Byrd a "9". If he wants to put himself down with a duffer's rating, that is his business.
I'd certainly take his swing over Hogan's where Hogan is overswinging as he did during much of his early career.
I wanted to respond to that. Personally, I'd give the sequence I have seen of Byrd a "9". If he wants to put himself down with a duffer's rating, that is his business.
I'd certainly take his swing over Hogan's where Hogan is overswinging as he did during much of his early career.
David Alford
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Matt, if you're a dedicated golfer, I'm gonna' bet you could get into Hogan's swing within days with the right instruction.
Better school kids are going to be shooting in the 60s with this swing at some point.
Even my critics and the nay sayers here are gonna' benefit. The irony...!
Better school kids are going to be shooting in the 60s with this swing at some point.
Even my critics and the nay sayers here are gonna' benefit. The irony...!
David Alford
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umm...I meant High School Golf team talent...there are a lot more guys talented than me...and probably more talented than Hogan. Who knows what the right kid will be able to do if he/she master's this swing while still a teenager...
Keep in mind, Hogan also believed the average golfer was capable of quite a lot. For his exact comments, take a look at FIVE LESSONS. I believe it's in the introduction or preface. Some people will always put themselves down, I say, blame the information you have, vs. your talent or lack of it.
Really, golf instruction is to blame...not the student.
Keep in mind, Hogan also believed the average golfer was capable of quite a lot. For his exact comments, take a look at FIVE LESSONS. I believe it's in the introduction or preface. Some people will always put themselves down, I say, blame the information you have, vs. your talent or lack of it.
Really, golf instruction is to blame...not the student.
David Alford
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These are my last posts to this forum, at least for quite awhile. I have some semidangerous flying to do now in Tasmania in pursuit of another challenge. If I survive that,look for the first book in 2007. Good luck all.
birdie_man
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I was reading this thread.....very interesting thread.....shows why David should not get as much flack as he sometimes got....some of his posts in here are some of the best ever.
I have a few questions from all this....
Firstly, for David's Hogan swing what do yall think of the grip and pivot (mostly shoulder turn) and transition? (with relation to Hogan) Brian? Anyone?
Do you have this still David?
Yo Indy (I mean David) you still alive?
Do you fly yourself....? (by the way you said it it sounds like you do)
How's that book comin?
I have a few questions from all this....
Firstly, for David's Hogan swing what do yall think of the grip and pivot (mostly shoulder turn) and transition? (with relation to Hogan) Brian? Anyone?
Do you have this still David?
Yo Indy (I mean David) you still alive?
Do you fly yourself....? (by the way you said it it sounds like you do)How's that book comin?
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David Alford
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birdie_man, I check in here once in awhile.
To muse about a few things, I'm going to write the book(s), but it takes awhile since I'm multitasking at the moment. Yes, I am a pilot (ultralight and general aviation).
Sorry, I'm tight lipped about my Hogan research, here. I know it must be a bit irritating to everyone who has an interest. At some point in time, I will deliver. I'm not in it for the money, but to help clear up this big mess that is the golf swing.
Because it is such a mess, I can understand why people on this forum have been such strong defenders of TGM and Homer & wouldn't accept any (potential) threat to that knowledge basis.
I also realize, I don't have a monopoly on the golf swing. There are a lot of fine minds out there working on issues that have plagued golfers since golf was invented.
To muse about a few things, I'm going to write the book(s), but it takes awhile since I'm multitasking at the moment. Yes, I am a pilot (ultralight and general aviation).
Sorry, I'm tight lipped about my Hogan research, here. I know it must be a bit irritating to everyone who has an interest. At some point in time, I will deliver. I'm not in it for the money, but to help clear up this big mess that is the golf swing.
Because it is such a mess, I can understand why people on this forum have been such strong defenders of TGM and Homer & wouldn't accept any (potential) threat to that knowledge basis.
I also realize, I don't have a monopoly on the golf swing. There are a lot of fine minds out there working on issues that have plagued golfers since golf was invented.
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