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At Impact Fix:
(1) Given a specific Golf Club length and Ball Location on the Plane, e.g., on a tee or on the ground;
(2) With the Left Wrist Flat, Level -- remember, this is a 'High Hands' partially Uncocked Condition per 4-B-1 -- and Vertical;
(3) With Extensor Action applied to the Left Arm and Clubshaft through the #3 Pressure Point establishing the Flying Wedge Alignments; and with...
(4) The Stationary Head Position established by the desired Knee Flex and Waist Bend (standing to the Ball 'in halves' with as straight a Spine -- the body's backbone that does not include the Neck (that joins the Head and Body)-- as possible;
Then...
There is only one place you can stand. And that will determine how far the Arms are away from the Chest. Study 9-2-1-#2, 9-2-2-#2 and 9-2-3-#1.
quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee
Not to jump on your toes, Master Yoda. Homer's voice has been recorded from Master classes and the like. If I can continue because this is the part I like. Paraphrasing Mr. Kelley... “because of hitting, golf will become so easy, we will be playing call shot.”
Now that’s how much confidence Homer had in the hitting stroke.
Despite his preference for Hitting, Homer Kelley felt he could become equally adept at Swinging once he had completed his 'research' and he could concentrate on Scoring. Unfortunately, that day never came.
Yes, slower at top, maximum speed at impact where it counts. But this doesn't mean a clumsy laborious attack toward the ball just that top speed should not be wasted early but later - applied onto the ball. Watching Yoda hit, then swing, then hit again on the range, both strokes are of a thing of beauty - hard to tell apart by the avg weekend golf. As Homer said, if it doesn't look like a golf stroke, somethings wrong.
Check out this member of the "X-Classification" club at http://www.megspace.com/sports/moetown/videos/sergio_side_clip.html
Let's not forget what Homer said - "I don't care what you pull with, just pull".
Let's not forget what Homer said - "I don't care what you pull with, just pull".
The Gear Train of the Pivot Lag -- Feet, Knees, Hips and Shoulders in that order -- Loads and Accelerates the Power Package. Study this correct Sequencing in 6-M-1.
The Right Shoulder does not Turn 'over the Top.' It Turns On Plane directly toward the Ball. However, if your present procedure does not incorporate the required Outward Dimension of the Shoulder Turn Motion per 2-N-1-A, then the correct Action may well feel that way.
All quick and jerky motions are improper execution (3-F-6). That includes the Right Shoulder Turn in the Start Down. The idea is to make a properly Sequenced, positive move from the Top that Loads the Lag and begins the initial Acceleration of the Power Package Down Plane. The Hands quickly pick up this Acceleration in the Downstroke and deliver the Club into Release at its maximum speed.
Are you saying that Sergio is using the procedure you described above, i.e., his Hands during the Start Down are being Accelerated independent of the Shoulder Turn (and therefore out of the correct 6-M-1 Downstroke Sequence and the Pivot Stroke Delivery of 6-K-0, not to mention placing the Period of Hand Acceleration [Section 8-8] in front of the Period of Shoulder Acceleration [Section 8-7]) followed by a Left Shoulder Upward Acceleration (away from the Plane Line) near Release that causes the Right Shoulder to move Down but not Out (toward the Plane Line)?
Sorry, Mizuno Joe. Mercifully for Sergio, that ain't happenin'. What is happenin' is the Maximum Power application of 6-B-4-A combined with the Maximum Trigger Delay of 6-B-4-C. All coordinated beautifully with his Double Wrist Cock, Plane Shift, Sway and Bob, of course, but that's another story.
As far as not forgetting what Homer said...not to worry:
He said it to me.
What I'm saying is that when his hands are on his right thigh, his shoulders are still almost level. He has dropped his hands behind himself with #2 accumulator intact, and HAS dropped them independently of the right shoulder. His FIRST move is the hands dropping downward, and the right shoulder does move DOWN, but as a consequence, and not the cause, of the hands dropping.
He's not doing what you are saying MUST be done. Another deviation from your "4th imperative", and hence the "X-Classification".
He's not doing what you are saying MUST be done. Another deviation from your "4th imperative", and hence the "X-Classification".
The Plane and Shoulder Turn Components are coordinate but independent. Therefore, Sergio's Plane Shift does not mean he has deviated from the correct Downstroke Release Sequence of 6-M-1. Further, Catalogued Component Variations -- such as Plane Angle (Basic or Customized) -- do not warrant the "X" Classification (by definition).
Nevertheless, whatever value you see -- or think you see -- in this Pattern, you are more than welcome to it. And its limitations. But don't think you can produce it using the Procedure you discussed, because it is simply not possible.
Finally, I am not saying that the Downstroke Sequence 'MUST' be adhered to. In fact, every Hacker deviates daily as he dutifully earns his high, double-digit handicap. I AM saying that the Pivot operates as a Gear Train that effectively extends the Radius of the Stroke to the Feet (6-C-0). When that Gear Train is broken -- almost always unintentionally via Faulty Sequencing -- then the Stroke Radius ends at that point and Precision (and almost always Power) evaporates. As evidenced by his prodigious distance, I assure you that Sergio's Stroke Radius from the Top is much longer than from his Hands to the Clubhead.
One last housekeeping item. There are only Three Imperatives in The Golfing Machine. Your reference to the '4th Imperative' is your own description of the Downstroke Sequence, not mine (as attributed by you). The Sequence is dictated essentially by Centrifugal Force but can be manipulated for special effects as the player's skill permits. For the record, its idea is incapsulated in the Second Imperative, the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point.
I did NOT say that Sergio is using the swing procedure which I descibed above. I AM saying that Sergio does not "crank the gyroscope". The causal move in his swing is not a driving downplane of his right shoulder, which is obvious from the video. Just as Glasson's causal move is something different also. His casual move is, IN HIS OWN WORDS, a pulling up of the left shoulder. That is not an EFFECT as you claim. Were the causal move a driving downplane of the right shoulder, he would have been aware of it and said so! Gary Player also says his first downswing move is a pulling up of the left shoulder. My comment that Sergio is an "X-Classification" honoree is not that he is doing exactly as I described in my own procedure, but rather that he isn't doing as you say must be done for swinging - cranking the gyroscope. So there are two more members of the X-Rated club, in addition to Sergio. Here's another - T Woods of 1996. When asked to describe what his upper body did on the downswing, he said, "My hands drop", not "I drive my right shoulder downplane". He coiled fully, moving off the ball, and then drove hard laterally back to the ball, while his hands fell and his right shoulder stayed back, and he then violently rotated his hips, which triggered the shoulder rotation. The thing that jumped out at me as I saw this swing up close, was the left shoulder dominance - high at address and very active(pulling up through impact).
My statement was, 'your "4th imperative"', indicating YOUR requirement that all swingers must drive the right shoulder downplane. I accept Homer's prescription of only 3 imperatives. A valid swinging procedure is ANYTHING you want to do as long as the club is moved ONLY by a force along the shaft AND obeys the 3 imperatives.
My statement was, 'your "4th imperative"', indicating YOUR requirement that all swingers must drive the right shoulder downplane. I accept Homer's prescription of only 3 imperatives. A valid swinging procedure is ANYTHING you want to do as long as the club is moved ONLY by a force along the shaft AND obeys the 3 imperatives.
I reread and didn't see any "seems to be"s. But lots of quotes from tour players.
The right shoulder heading for the ball can be a cause OR effect. Try this - coil fully, then keeping your right shoulder back, rotate your hips - the right shoulder heads toward the ball. It was an effect of doing other things.
The right shoulder heading for the ball can be a cause OR effect. Try this - coil fully, then keeping your right shoulder back, rotate your hips - the right shoulder heads toward the ball. It was an effect of doing other things.
MizunoJoe,
I have read with admiration many of your posts. You are a seeker who obviously understands far more than most the intricacies of the Golf Stroke. In all sincerity, I commend you to your continued study.
On this issue, though, you are not seeing what you obviously think you see. The Start Down and Downstroke of the world's most talented players highlights the never-ending mission of Centrifugal Force: Pull all the Components of the Golf Stroke into a Straight Line. You are mistaking the noisy 'collateral activity' for the 'real deal.'
I know you have not recommended Sergio's Pattern as a model. However, for those who may think that the posting of his video constitutes your endorsement, I urge them to adopt a Pattern that minimizes the need to compensate for the many conflicting forces that even the world's most talented players can (and do) generate in their Strokes.
quote:Originally posted by Mathew
Could I be the poster boy ?
Wonderful Flying Wedges, Mathew!
But I feel this almost uncontrollable need to yank your Hips back toward to the middle of your Stance. It would eliminate your 'Reverse C' -- God did not intend for you to stare at the Ball Location with your Right Ear -- and potentially make you a Champion.
quote:Originally posted by Mathew
Holenone are you yoda on the TGM site ?
I have to say - the right ear bit - you do make me laugh with your sophisticated sence of humour
Thanks - now I just have to work out what a flying wedge is ...lol
Yoda said: "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice." In this case, Master and Apprentice are one.
quote:Originally posted by holenone
quote:Originally posted by Mathew
Holenone are you yoda on the TGM site ?
I have to say - the right ear bit - you do make me laugh with your sophisticated sence of humour
Thanks - now I just have to work out what a flying wedge is ...lol
Yoda said: "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice." In this case, Master and Apprentice are one.
AND YOU EVEN LIKE STAR WARS ! ! !
YOU ARE TOO COOL ! ! !
I wish you lived near me.... Id have you as my teacher any day of the week and twice on sundays !
I have to say I am a bit of a fan, I look at the TGM site only because of your posts !
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