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[dclaryjr]

But was his goodbye to "SuperDave" a goodbye to this forum? BTW, until the playoff VJ could have used that screen name to describe his putting: HOLE_NONE

 

[Archie Swivel]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by Mathew

Could I be the poster boy ?

Wonderful Flying Wedges, Mathew!

But I feel this almost uncontrollable need to yank your Hips back toward to the middle of your Stance. It would eliminate your 'Reverse C' -- God did not intend for you to stare at the Ball Location with your Right Ear -- and potentially make you a Champion.

HOLENONE,

So what Mathew's doing there is not a good thing? Isn't that second axis tilt at its best? What about Jack here: http://www.beauproductions.com/golfswingsws/jacknicklaus/index1.html

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[EdZ]

quote:Originally posted by holenone
......... I AM saying that

the Pivot operates as a Gear Train that effectively extends the Radius of the Stroke to the Feet (6-C-0).


When that Gear Train is broken -- almost always unintentionally via Faulty Sequencing -- then the Stroke Radius ends at that point and Precision (and almost always Power) evaporates.

This is a very critical statement for folks to understand. It is the description of what "from the ground up" is all about and most importantly what 'loading and maintaining' lag PRESSURE is all about.

Take the time to fully understand it, and you will be rewarded.

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

Try this - coil fully, then keeping your right shoulder back, rotate your hips, the right shoulder heads toward the ball. It was an effect of doing other things.

That's it, Mizuno Joe! The Gear Train. You've got it!

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by dclaryjr

But was his goodbye to "SuperDave" a goodbye to this forum? BTW, until the playoff VJ could have used that screen name to describe his putting: HOLE_NONE

The Flusher is still here, dclaryjr. Apparently, so is the Flushee.

 

[dclaryjr]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by dclaryjr

But was his goodbye to "SuperDave" a goodbye to this forum? BTW, until the playoff VJ could have used that screen name to describe his putting: HOLE_NONE

The Flusher is still here, dclaryjr. Apparently, so is the Flushee.

I'm delighted to hear the ER is still here!

 

[DDL]

TO me it feels like the cranking of the gyroscope causes the right shoulder thrust, not the other way around. The cranking of the gyroscope for me is a pulling stretching feeling of my left shoulder, left arm and left hand all the way to the right index finger, aka loading the lag. Then afterwards, the right shoulder thrusts downward because of this pulling stretching which cranked up the gyroscope. This is for swinging.

Seems to me if the right shoulder thrusts before any stretching and pulling from the left side, the pivot train is interrupted for swinging.

 

[MizunoJoe]

holen1,

OK, then try this - coil fully, then keeping your right shoulder back, laterally shift your hips toward the target while your hands drop, the right shoulder heads toward the ball. It was an effect of doing other things.

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

holen1,

OK, then try this - coil fully, then keeping your right shoulder back, laterally shift your hips toward the target while your hands drop, the right shoulder heads toward the ball. It was an effect of doing other things.

As the third 'Center' of the Gear Train (after the Feet and Knees) , the Hip Turn Leads the Lagging fourth Center, the Shoulder Turn. It thereby initiates its Acceleration. We have no disagreement on that point.

From there, the Shoulders Pull the Arms; the Arms Pull the Hands (dropping or not); and the Hands Pull the Club. In contrast, your position (as explained in prior posts) is that the Hands drop and that this causes the Shoulders to move. This is inconsistent not only with the correct Downstroke Sequence as defined in 6-M-1 of The Golfing Machine, but also with the operation of Centrifugal Force that is responsible for that Sequence.

 

[MizunoJoe]

holen1,

My hand dropping procedure is initiated by a lateral hip move with the right shoulder kept back. The lateral hip move drops both the hands and the right shoulder, because the left shoulder is forced upward by the hip slide, because the head is kept back. The hands then continue to free fall to release point, at which point the left shoulder pulls up and back to effect a snap release. My point is that the right shoulder goes down, but is not driven down. The right shoulder doesn't do anything except respond, and therefore doesn't crank the gyroscope.

 

[MizunoJoe]

DDL,

I agree with your "pulling stretching feeling" of the left shoulder, AND of the entire left side. However I feel that the right shoulder moves down, but doesn't "thrust" down.

 

[EdZ]

The 'train' can be visualized as a rope running through the body, from the left foot, up the left side, shoulder/arm, hands, club

Any movement out of sequence (hands dropping causing shoulders to move) is 'slack' in the rope

You want the 'whip' action to move up the rope, and this is only possible in proper sequence or you have given up lag

I would also agree, I don't feel right shoulder thrust, but I most certainly do feel left side 'stretch', moving all the way up the rope

Practice in slow motion with the rope visual can be very powerful and effective