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holenone

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quote:Originally posted by TGManMachine

quote:Originally posted by holenone
The Left Wrist is Level at Impact. It does not achieve the Maximum Uncock condition until several inches past Impact.
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Are you suggesting that the left wrist path is level or on a linear path?

How much difference is there between Maximum Uncock and release uncock just before impact?
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The Level Wrist Condition does not refer to the path of the Hands through Impact. Instead, it is that condition which occurs when the wrist-bone and the edge of the hand form a straight line.

From Release to Impact, the Left Wrist moves from Cocked to Level. From Impact to a few inches thereafter, the Wrist moves from Level to (Maximum) Uncocked (when the edge of the hand forms as wide an angle as possible with the wrist bone).
 
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Brian Manzella

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TGMManmachine...

I deleated your post.

You need to answer my question first:
In the video....How could I get the club to go down without getting my left shoulder to go up????
 
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TGManMachine

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

TGMManmachine...

In the video....How could I get the club to go down without getting my left shoulder to go up????
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I really don't know because what you are saying just doesn't seem to add up. If you are saying that the club will go down because the left shoulder goes up, would the converse be true? The club will go up if the left shoulder goes down? Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to explain because the geometry is not accurate.

This is an informative link to Wishon golf on angle of attack.

http://www.wishongolf.com/newsletters/may_03_std/attacktips.html

Hope this helps clarify things.
 
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TGMManMachine,
It's really quite simple. During the backswing, the left shoulder goes down and the right shoulder goes up...and the club goes up. During the downswing, the left shoulder goes up and the right shoulder goes down...and the club goes down.
 
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TGManMachine

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quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

TGMManMachine,
It's really quite simple. During the backswing, the left shoulder goes down and the right shoulder goes up...and the club goes up. During the downswing, the left shoulder goes up and the right shoulder goes down...and the club goes down.
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You are generally correct, but the issue is where is the "low point" of the driver swing?

My low point is behind the ball because I have an ascending angle of attack as determined by launch monitor measurement. This provides me with an optimal driver swing. Wishon Technology states that ascending driver swings provides LD competitors with optimal results too.

Do you have a descending angle of attack, and have you determined the number of degrees of negative angle that you apply to your driver swing? Could you share your data with us so we may have something definitive to discuss? Thanks.
 
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Brian,

Thanks for posting the left shoulder going up video. I have been struggling with pulls lately and used to slice before I started reading your site. The pulls had been really killing my game lately. I watched the video about the left shoulder going up on the down swing and applied it to my swing at the range today. Well the pulls were gone when I concentrated on raising my left shoulder. Instead I would hit the ball dead straight or a slight draw. Just had to say thanks and I can't wait till I hit the course tomorrow.
 
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TGManMachine

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quote:Originally posted by flopshot59

Brian,

Thanks for posting the left shoulder going up video. I have been struggling with pulls lately and used to slice before I started reading your site. The pulls had been really killing my game lately. I watched the video about the left shoulder going up on the down swing and applied it to my swing at the range today. Well the pulls were gone when I concentrated on raising my left shoulder. Instead I would hit the ball dead straight or a slight draw. Just had to say thanks and I can't wait till I hit the course tomorrow.
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Yes good to hear you have a better shoulder turn now.

Could you tell us where you tee up the ball in relation to your lead foot for your driver swing?

Do you know whether your driver head path is ascending or descending through impact?
 
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TGManMachine

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Why are you doing this TG...why did you pick me?

Why?
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I'm sorry and apologize if my style of discussion/debate is upsetting you. Perhaps if you just watched the discussion between me and others who seem unaffected by the nature of the debate. There seems to be a good bunch of TGMers here who are participating actively. Again I apologize if I have upset you.
 
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why are your so called "optimum" launch numbers optimum?.....according to who?.....the club manufacturers?...what a joke.....if you want to create a lower spin, knuckle ball with your driver...then keep hitting up.....my god this debate is so ridiculous...of course you can hit up on the ball....show me one tour player who hits up on his driver, i'll show you 20 who hit down.....

and the convoluted hinge action needed to control direction (while catching the ball on the upswing) is so haphazard you may want to ask yourself if this hitting up bs is really worth it....hank kuehne 4th in distance 184th in accuracy....THE ONLY PLAYER ON TOUR WHO HITS IT MORE CROOKED THAN KUEHNE IS FRIGGIN DAVID DUVAL......tgmmachine and his launch monitor may want to give counsel to hammerin hank......WHAT A JOKE
 
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Brian Manzella

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Your 'stlye' of debate....STYLE?

Everytime I make a point....you change the subject.

Here is one for you: (bet you don't answer)

If low spin is king, why not a zero degree driver and hit up on it 13 degrees??
 
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TGManMachine

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

If low spin is king, why not a zero degree driver and hit up on it 13 degrees??
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Well Brian, I would first refer you to 2-B for starters regarding ball spin.

For each driver head speed at impact, there is an optimal ball spin rate for maxing distance. The lower the swing speed the higher the spin rate is required to keep the ball adequately airborne. That is why a 15* driver is recommended for a 70 mph swing speed. I would think that hitting up or down at this low swing speed would be immaterial to the results, so the TGM advice to hit down could be quite acceptable for slow swing speed.

However, if you hit down at higher drive head speeds then you would generate too much ball backspin resulting in non-optimal launch conditions. This is well known to those who operate launch monitors.

As for a zero driver loft, that is essentially what some LD competitors use when they get to 5 degree face loft drivers. And using a max 4 inch tee height they can get a 13*-15* initial launch trajectory, provided they hit up on the ball. At 145 mph driver head speed it would be fatal to hit down on the ball because it would balloon tremendously due to very high ball spin rates.

I think that Kelley would have embraced the new technology that is available today, and would not hesitate to revise TGM where necessary. I don't think this one issue is a "fatal flaw" for TGM, but rather it is just recognition that science advances and so must TGM. Why is it that there seems to be so much resistance to revising TGM to incorporate new technological information about the golf swing?
 
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flopshot59

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quote:Originally posted by TGManMachine

quote:Originally posted by flopshot59
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Yes good to hear you have a better shoulder turn now.

Could you tell us where you tee up the ball in relation to your lead foot for your driver swing?

Do you know whether your driver head path is ascending or descending through impact?
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I have always played the ball off of the inside of my left heel. I always have and still do now. As far as I know the driver is descending at impact, but couldn't tell you for sure.
 
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