Dynamic Pivots?

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What exactly does one look for in a golf swing video that would determine a dynamic pivot from a non dynamic pivot other than "it just looks dynamic to my eyes"?
 
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lia41985 said:
My point was that in an attempt to stay centered these swings will always limit the amount of dynamism they have compared to swings the get the weight off the left foot. I never look at a MORAD/Stack and Tilt/"Centered" swing and think that it looks dynamic or that the ball striking is amazingly precise. I do sometimes find myself impressed by these golfers flexibility though!
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Do you actually play golf, or do you spend all your time neurotically searching for youtube videos to post something on the forum ..???!!!

Given your bylines, I seriously doubt you even own clubs ...!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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ej20 said:
What exactly does one look for in a golf swing video that would determine a dynamic pivot from a non dynamic pivot other than "it just looks dynamic to my eyes"?
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Exactly ... "non dynamic" = static, still, flaccid, neutral, dead ...!!!! :eek:
 
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I watch the hips throughout, the feet and legs before the swing starts, the arms, hands, club, hips, and legs during the transition, and the position of the hands, arms, and clubs at the completion of the forward swing before they move into the relaxation/wrapping/follow-through phase.
 
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Glordfocker said:
Would that exclude him from having a centered type pivot
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YES !!! ... because there are no "centers" nor any "pivots" .. technically speaking ...!!!!

There are rotatory axes and flexible joints in the human body .. not centers and pivots ...!!!!
 
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lia41985 said:
I watch the hips throughout, the feet and legs before the swing starts, the arms, hands, club, hips, and legs during the transition, and the position of the hands, arms, and clubs at the completion of the forward swing before they move into the relaxation/wrapping/follow-through phase.
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You're some kind of golfswing "voyeur" ... :eek:
 
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SteveT said:
Do you actually play golf, or do you spend all your time neurotically searching for youtube videos to post something on the forum ..???!!!
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I just finished another semester of law school, so my break has started. I love golf, but it's winter here in Cleveland. So I get on this forum as a way to stay connected with a sport I love. Thanks for asking!
 
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ggsjpc said:
I've been reading a bunch lately about how centered pivot methods have non dynamic pivots.

I may be embellishing a tad but I think you get my drift.

I saw these and was curious if the group felt they were non dynamic.

I think they seem quite dynamic.(especially the first one)
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See, Brian ... this is the kind of un-technical rubbish being flung like feces and stinking up your forum.

I hope Project 1.68 will eradicate these make-believe meanderings and incorrect terminology trolls.
 
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lia41985 said:
I just finished another semester of law school, so my break has started. I love golf, but it's winter here in Cleveland. So I get on this forum as a way to stay connected with a sport I love. Thanks for asking!
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I must concede I was impressed by your conversational syntax and weight of videos ... but that doesn't make you a golfswing expert witness just because you think you are a 'visual' person who 'loves' golf.

Remember .. love blinds .. science is sanity ... believe it. :D
 
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SteveT said:
I must concede I was impressed by your conversational syntax and weight of videos ... but that doesn't make you a golfswing expert witness just because you think you are a 'visual' person who 'loves' golf.

Remember .. love blinds .. science is sanity ... believe it. :D
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Cool, dude!
 
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SteveT said:
Exactly ... "non dynamic" = static, still, flaccid, neutral, dead ...!!!! :eek:
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We really don't know how much effort one is putting into the pivot unless we have them hooked up to an EMG muscle activity monitor.

If you look at most SnT swings,their hips are not as open at impact as most other methods.Most of their hip rotation occurs after impact.Would that constitute a static pivot?
 
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lia41985 said:
Cool, dude!
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You're young .... my advice is to 'love' women (or money)... not golf ... unless you are aiming for corporate law and you want to have an impressive game when playing golf with clients and potential clients.

You won't find a golfswing in pictures or videos because your athletic brainlet operates on a whole 'gestalt' principle.

Consider this pro bono golf advice ... Q.E.D.
 
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ej20 said:
We really don't know how much effort one is putting into the pivot unless we have them hooked up to an EMG muscle activity monitor.

If you look at most SnT swings,their hips are not as open at impact as most other methods.Most of their hip rotation occurs after impact.Would that constitute a static pivot?
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No ... you are attempting to interpret kinematics visually, when you should be determining the kinetic value of rotating body parts. Muscle activity can induce movement or sustain position. Dynamics or Statics.

All you are doing is playing "show and tell" and sprinkling it with technical terminology that is wrong ... I hope y'all are having fun but yer spinning yer wheels in ignorance ... believe it.

I hope BManz can rescue you with his Project 1.68 ... because it's really pathetic now. At least with TGM y'all had a reference book albeit filled with technical rubbish.
 
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SteveT said:
No ... you are attempting to interpret kinematics visually, when you should be determining the kinetic value of rotating body parts. Muscle activity can induce movement or sustain position. Dynamics or Statics.

All you are doing is playing "show and tell" and sprinkling it with technical terminology that is wrong ... I hope y'all are having fun but yer spinning yer wheels in ignorance ... believe it.

I hope BManz can rescue you with his Project 1.68 ... because it's really pathetic now. At least with TGM y'all had a reference book albeit filled with technical rubbish.
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As much as I like learning about the science in the golf swing,my opinion is still that learning the golf swing is more down to art.

When you start applying science to the golf swing you better dang get it right or correct or you will end up doing a TGM years down the track....getting proven wrong because someone else applied the science more correctly.
 
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ej20 said:
As much as I like learning about the science in the golf swing,my opinion is still that learning the golf swing is more down to art.

When you start applying science to the golf swing you better dang get it right or correct or you will end up doing a TGM years down the track....getting proven wrong because someone else applied the science more correctly.
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If the golfswing is an art, then don't use scientific words incorrectly to describe your personal interpretations.

Science is basic and universal, provided it's correctly applied by qualified people. TGM was total rubbish scientifically, and that's what I explained to Brian in 2003-04 when I posted as 'Horton'. Check the archived postings and it's all there.
 
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