Dynamic Pivots?

[ej20]

If the golfswing is an art, then don't use scientific words incorrectly to describe your personal interpretations.

Science is basic and universal, provided it's correctly applied by qualified people. TGM was total rubbish scientifically, and that's what I explained to Brian in 2003-04 when I posted as 'Horton'. Check the archived postings and it's all there.

My point is that even if you had the correct science it is still an art to transfer that knowledge to application.

As we all know feel and real are not the same especially in the golf swing.Science provides the reality of what is happening but that doesn't necessarily correlate with what we feel.Mandrin bless his soul,talked about snapping the kinetic chain.So are you going to start intentionally braking your pivot earlier than normal to get more snap?

On the other hand,TGM got the science wrong regarding STLOC but as a teaching method,is it that wrong?It is very beneficial to FEEL like you maintain shaft flex through impact even if science says that is not what is really happening.Like a lot of methods,TGM got the practical aspect right by accident even if it was incorrect scientifically.

I do agree with you that science needs to be applied by quailified people but who is qualified to determine who is qualified?Would that not be also a personal interpretation?

 

[ej20]

SteveT,yeah I remember Horton.I joined this forum back in 2003 even before you but I didn't post much as I also was not fond of TGM that much and dibn't want to rock the boat every time I posted.I post more now as Brian has relaxed his pro TGM stance.

 

[birdie_man]

Dynamic ability...funny pivot. To me.

 

[birdie_man]

If you were right on TGM then you were right.

But I think I see why people may have moreso clashed with you...

Call me crazy, but...

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Or maybe you had past dealings with a bunch of the people in this thread. (nemeses all coagulated in here)

You got that right, Brian ... but when you get your Project 1.68 launched, you won't need to depend on modeling unattainable tour pro swings or explaining silly methods because you will have acquired a universal scientific basis to your golfswing knowledge and pedagogy.

You will be a universal golfswing teacher of teachers ... so get it all together and launch ...!!!!

Like the enthusiasm towards Brian's new stuff.

But at least Tour Pro Swings (esp HOF Golfers) are proven, yes?

Or maybe it is just the player...

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I certainly am not trying to throw the poo poo dung onto Science btw.

See, Brian ... this is the kind of un-technical rubbish being flung like feces and stinking up your forum.

I hope Project 1.68 will eradicate these make-believe meanderings and incorrect terminology trolls.

Harsh!

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I must concede I was impressed by your conversational syntax and weight of videos ... but that doesn't make you a golfswing expert witness just because you think you are a 'visual' person who 'loves' golf.

Remember .. love blinds .. science is sanity ... believe it.

What does love blinds mean?

Link?

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What is the science of 'love' or "good feeling"? Sources, nature...

You're young .... my advice is to 'love' women (or money)... not golf ... unless you are aiming for corporate law and you want to have an impressive game when playing golf with clients and potential clients.

You won't find a golfswing in pictures or videos because your athletic brainlet operates on a whole 'gestalt' principle.

Consider this pro bono golf advice ... Q.E.D.

Wise advice o great sage!!

Women are the scourge of this Earth! Vile beings!!

(jk I like em )

Wait...were you joking??

Now that's the most encouraging thing you have said on this topic thread .... Q.E.D.

Ruthless.

Who said anyone was using your definition of centered anyway though?

Center has multi defs, no?

Can it refer to 2d?

Maybe we should just say head between the feet.

Dunno.

Question Erectile Difficulties.

Quiz Every Dude.

Question with Excellence Dummies.

Kumite kumite kumite!

Quark Excelsior! Dogma.

 

[Dariusz J.]

Please do not put Hogan and S&T players to one sack of a "centered pivots" or whatever you would like to call it ! Not so long ago some idiots on another forum argued that Hogan's motion and trajectories resembles S&T ones....LOL.
Hogan's pivot is the greatest example of a pivot done by a biped that utilizes all possible sources of power and inertia which is impossible in case of excluding the rear side out of the motion and base the kinetics only on vertically oriented forces.
Mac O'Grady's motion is another pair of shoes though. It's much closer to Hogan in every possible aspect fo the motion (does not mean it is identically great).

Cheers

 

[Burner]

Exactly ... "non dynamic" = static, still, flaccid, neutral, dead ...!!!!

You tried Viagra?

 

[birly-shirly]

lia41985,

I'm sorry, I missed your reply to the question of the pivots that were presented.

Surely you agree that we can all find non dynamic pivots represented in as many patterns as there are.

Faldo, Sutton, Strange. Less centered = more dynamic?

 

[SteveT]

You tried Viagra?

I'm waiting for Project 1.68 ... because my S-300 Project X shaft is just not performing well any more ...!!!

 

[SteveT]

If you were right on TGM then you were right.

But I think I see why people may have moreso clashed with you...

Call me crazy, but...

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I engender confusion, chaos and upset the crazies who swear by Homer, Hogan, Moe, others .... and the video voyeurs too ... but hey, if you can't take a science attack you can always go back to "finding it in the dirt" ...!!!

BTW ... were you and Ringer also TGM trolls attacking Horton 6 years ago B.B. (Before Banned) ...????

 

[Weetbix]

TGM may not be scientifically accurate based on modern measuring mechanisms and terminology but all scientific endeavors move from less to more accuracy and depth (although often not in a linear way).

It is easy to criticise, much harder to create. Homer gave people a terminology to improve communication, lists of options that he tried to make both exhaustive and exclusive, and a structure to document. I have never heard that Homer believed that he had finished, although some since have expressed that opinion.

Homer didn't have 3D analytical tools, biomechanical measurement, or the knowledge of human kinesthetics that we have today. That doesn't mean what he did is without value.

Frankly it is 100% guaranteed that whatever science the project, or any person here personally believes they have tied down, will be either revised or probably totally overturned in future. Scientists have historically demonstrated an incredible ability to be completely and genuinely wrong. State of the art, sure. Cutting edge, absolutely. Completely wrong ... yep! Our understanding of how the muscles and joints operate is improving. Our understanding of how our brains coordinate, initiate, manage and direct the contraction of muscles to create outcomes is still in its infancy.

Pivot may be a poor term scientifically, but it may be extremely useful for the purpose it was created - to teach someone about an action or series of actions. It may not be the scientifically correct use of the term. But if it helps me to understand that a quality golf swing includes the feet, legs, hips and torso moving in a way that supports the arms and hands and in fact is a key (I could argue the only) source of power, then it has achieved the goal Homer probably had for it.

 

[SteveT]

TGM may not be scientifically accurate based on modern measuring mechanisms and terminology but all scientific endeavors move from less to more accuracy and depth (although often not in a linear way).
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Pivot may be a poor term scientifically, but it may be extremely useful for the purpose it was created - to teach someone about an action or series of actions. It may not be the scientifically correct use of the term. But if it helps me to understand that a quality golf swing includes the feet, legs, hips and torso moving in a way that supports the arms and hands and in fact is a key (I could argue the only) source of power, then it has achieved the goal Homer probably had for it.

You mean the ignorant leading the blind .....

Please enter "horton" into the search function and read what I posted about TGM in 2003-04 ... you might be surprised.

 

[Weetbix]

You mean the ignorant leading the blind .....

Please enter "horton" into the search function and read what I posted about TGM in 2003-04 ... you might be surprised.

It's going to be at least as productive as the arrogant leading no-one!

 

[SteveT]

It's going to be at least as productive as the arrogant leading no-one!

That's a rather arrogant statement ....