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You are right Kevin, no offense taken. I guess I'm with Jared on this one. The look on video is a hard habit to break.
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You are right Kevin, no offense taken. I guess I'm with Jared on this one. The look on video is a hard habit to break.
IMO, swing aesthetics are MUCH more important than the ball flight of one video. Not only that, but judging from clubface and path alone does no tell the tale as to why someone is doing it.
What we REALLY need to know is the target in those video's... not the ball flight.
He could be lined up 30 yards to the right, coming over the top, and pull hooking the bejeezus out of it. Then the common assesment so far of being under plane would be fraudulent.
What we REALLY need to know is the target in those video's... not the ball flight.
He could be lined up 30 yards to the right, coming over the top, and pull hooking the bejeezus out of it. Then the common assesment so far of being under plane would be fraudulent.
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Never said video is a waste of time. Just without ballflight it is.
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But... how it is is rarely accurately captured on video, and how that's represented is responsible for sooo much garbage towards how it works. Now I ask you, is what it looks like really representative of how it really is....
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But... how it is is rarely accurately captured on video, and how that's represented is responsible for sooo much garbage towards how it works. Now I ask you, is what it looks like really representative of how it really is....
Hey, don't hate on the big fellas with hops!
Video is just like any other tool. It is fine as long as you understand the benefits and limitations. But it does have its limitations, just like any other tool. Use it within the proper context, and in conjunction with other tools that can supplement it, and video can be a great part of any instructor's toolbox. But just like with any other toolbox, the greater the variety of tools that you have at your disposal and that you can effectively use, the more equipped you are to handle whatever comes along.
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Parallax!
I think Kevin hit the nail on the head when he mentioned there is not enough drop of the hands to start the downswing.The young man has an upright backswing with high hands and it's especially important to drop the hands before you fire through the shot.There is too much carry of the hands even on the before swing.The after swing has even more.
Here is a good video example of what I mean.
Here is a good video example of what I mean.
Thanks for the feedback. What do you mean drop the hands?
Are you saying start the down swing by dropping the hands? I guess we were told to start from the ground up and the upper torso turning makes the arms and hands follow.
Also does dropping the hands first produce more of an inside outside swing? My son already has a 1-3% inside out swing path.
Are you saying start the down swing by dropping the hands? I guess we were told to start from the ground up and the upper torso turning makes the arms and hands follow.
Also does dropping the hands first produce more of an inside outside swing? My son already has a 1-3% inside out swing path.
Explains a lot
I have been here. Does not work that way but might be a good swing thought for some. It is the death of your son's golf swing and would explain what appears (from albeit very little evidence) to be your son's desperate last minute attempt to pull the club around his body. Go see Brian. Looking forward to a lesson review on this site.
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I have been here. Does not work that way but might be a good swing thought for some. It is the death of your son's golf swing and would explain what appears (from albeit very little evidence) to be your son's desperate last minute attempt to pull the club around his body. Go see Brian. Looking forward to a lesson review on this site.
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llyons:
I completely where you are coming from. As a former member of the same college team your son plays for, I can relate to everything you've been saying. If I could give you one piece of advice, it would be to make the hour drive down to New Orleans and have your son meet with Brian. As a former student of Brian's for two years, I wish I would of come to him sooner in my career....especially when I was in college. If nothing else, it never hurts to get a second opinion.
I know it can be a little awkward getting a lesson from someone other than the coach, even more so considering the fact that the current coach was actually a well-known teacher for many years before taking the job. But, you have to do what's best for your son, and in my opinion, no one would be better suited to help your son than Brian.
And if his game improves, which I'm confident it will, then it only helps out the coach and team in the long run anyways. Just my two cents. Hope this information is helpful and I look forward to hearing how the lessons geaux if y'all decide to take the leap. Good luck!
I completely where you are coming from. As a former member of the same college team your son plays for, I can relate to everything you've been saying. If I could give you one piece of advice, it would be to make the hour drive down to New Orleans and have your son meet with Brian. As a former student of Brian's for two years, I wish I would of come to him sooner in my career....especially when I was in college. If nothing else, it never hurts to get a second opinion.
I know it can be a little awkward getting a lesson from someone other than the coach, even more so considering the fact that the current coach was actually a well-known teacher for many years before taking the job. But, you have to do what's best for your son, and in my opinion, no one would be better suited to help your son than Brian.
And if his game improves, which I'm confident it will, then it only helps out the coach and team in the long run anyways. Just my two cents. Hope this information is helpful and I look forward to hearing how the lessons geaux if y'all decide to take the leap. Good luck!
Doesn't anyone stop to consider what a "droping the hands first" does to someone's kinetic sequence? I see so much throw-away in his "good swing" I cringe.
Thanks HoneyBadger... I really appreciate your advice and you certainly know much about the situation. My son will be visiting with Brian very soon. The one thing I know is his work ethic is off the charts and In my opinion, if you have the strong desire and work ethic and you get the right information in terms of the lesson, swing wise, you should see the improvements within a month or two. I realize nobody can make a Tiger out of everybody but my son should be able to go from 40-50 percent FIR and GIR to 60-70 with the right information and work.
Thanks again. I am curious.. when did you play collegiate golf?
Thanks again.
Thanks again. I am curious.. when did you play collegiate golf?
Thanks again.
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llyons
Glad to hear your son will be meeting with Brian. I'm sure it will be a very positive experience for him. I always left every lesson with Brian hitting the ball better than before and understanding exactly what it was that I needed to work on. He's very good at getting his students to feel the things in their swing that he wants them to do. And with the use of trackman, I always felt like I learned more and more about the golf swing each time.
I was there from 2002-2006 and played 1 year under the current coach during his first year with the team. If there are any other questions I can answer for you, please don't hesitate to ask.
Glad to hear your son will be meeting with Brian. I'm sure it will be a very positive experience for him. I always left every lesson with Brian hitting the ball better than before and understanding exactly what it was that I needed to work on. He's very good at getting his students to feel the things in their swing that he wants them to do. And with the use of trackman, I always felt like I learned more and more about the golf swing each time.
I was there from 2002-2006 and played 1 year under the current coach during his first year with the team. If there are any other questions I can answer for you, please don't hesitate to ask.
Ringer,I just see what I see and comment on it.
Ninety nine percent of tour pros drop not only the hands but the entire plane as a first move down.It gets you shallow inside and in a position where you can swing left and around your body.
There may be a few pros who carry their hands as a first move down but they are few and far between.KJ Choi does it and if it works,I wouldn't change it.It obviously is not working for the the OP's son.
Ringer,I see the same carry move in your swing and it's obviously working for you but I wouldn't teach it to everyone.Dropping the hands and plane is orthodox instruction and should not be disregarded.Nick Faldo described the process in detail in his book.
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