Golf Instructor advice

[Ringer]

Ringer,I just see what I see and comment on it.

Ninety nine percent of tour pros drop not only the hands but the entire plane as a first move down.It gets you shallow inside and in a position where you can swing left and around your body.

There may be a few pros who carry their hands as a first move down but they are few and far between.KJ Choi does it and if it works,I wouldn't change it.It obviously is not working for the the OP's son.

Ringer,I see the same carry move in your swing and it's obviously working for you but I wouldn't teach it to everyone.Dropping the hands and plane is orthodox instruction and should not be disregarded.Nick Faldo described the process in detail in his book.

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The new tour move is not a "dropping the hands" move. It's a reverse tumble move. Deceptively, doing a reverse tumble to start the downswing flattens out the plane because they get into a laid off position giving the APPEARANCE of the hands going down to start. The clubs center of gravity shifts further behind the player making him/her have to swing the club on a shallower plane.

If a player were to try to "drop the hands" without this reverse tumble then they'd likely hit the ground before the ball. I say this from IMMENSE experience.

 

[ej20]

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The new tour move is not a "dropping the hands" move. It's a reverse tumble move. Deceptively, doing a reverse tumble to start the downswing flattens out the plane because they get into a laid off position giving the APPEARANCE of the hands going down to start. The clubs center of gravity shifts further behind the player making him/her have to swing the club on a shallower plane.

If a player were to try to "drop the hands" without this reverse tumble then they'd likely hit the ground before the ball. I say this from IMMENSE experience.

Dropping the hands is just a simplification.I did say that not only the hands drop but also the entire plane including the left arm plane,right shoulder and club.How much of this inside loop of the hands,arms and club depends on how much you lift them in your backswing.

Reverse tumble is just a flattening of the shaft.You can flatten the shaft with or without carrying the hands in the transition.I am talking purely about the hand path and having too much carry to start the downswing.

Incidently,I would say the majority of hackers have too much carry of the hands coming down.The OTTers will swing left and hit slices and pulls.The good player will learn to swing right,maybe come underplane and stand the club up through impact.

 

[wulsy]

I think Kevin hit the nail on the head when he mentioned there is not enough drop of the hands to start the downswing.The young man has an upright backswing with high hands and it's especially important to drop the hands before you fire through the shot.There is too much carry of the hands even on the before swing.The after swing has even more.

Here is a good video example of what I mean.

Does this guy not look like he will hook a lot with the "new blue" swing?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Once the downswing starts, the butt end of the club should NEVER EVER go straight down!

 

[Cloran]

"[Cloran learned] to swing right... and stand the club up through impact."

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