Impact illustration..
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This crap ruins almost every thread. Maybe Brian can make a Edz's philosophy board.
This is hard enough to understand, yet you always have to try and prove you're right and yoda/Brian are wrong. You're not going to change their opinions, so just move on Ed. Just ruining every thread over your ego/belief is just stupid. Takes forever to go through a thread to throw out your arguments to get to the meat of a thread.
Maybe you should open your own site and let people come to you rather than coming here where people want to hear from the likes of Brian and Yoda. Does that mean we drink the Kool-aid? NO. It means we believe in THEIR philosophy and not yours. Why can't you get that?
This is hard enough to understand, yet you always have to try and prove you're right and yoda/Brian are wrong. You're not going to change their opinions, so just move on Ed. Just ruining every thread over your ego/belief is just stupid. Takes forever to go through a thread to throw out your arguments to get to the meat of a thread.
Maybe you should open your own site and let people come to you rather than coming here where people want to hear from the likes of Brian and Yoda. Does that mean we drink the Kool-aid? NO. It means we believe in THEIR philosophy and not yours. Why can't you get that?
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That would be ED's 2-K Koolaid...............LOL
rwh
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Mr. Kelley compared the Primary Lever Assembly to the real-world flail for purposes of discussing the physics of Centrifugal Acceleration, Centrifugal Momentum and Centrifugal Decleration.
However, the model of the real-world flail wouldn't work for Golfing Machines because we don't want Centrifugal Deceleration which occurs when the Left Wrist bends. Mr. Kelley asked us to imagine a "Golfer's Flail" -- a Primary Lever Assembly that is, per 2-K, "bolted together as with a hinge pin, rather than tied together with a thong . . . ." Golfing Machines, therefore, have a "hinge pin" Left Wrist that only permits movement in the vertical plane but prevents movement in the horizontal plane. This brilliant hinge pin idea is critical to Golfing Machines, facilitating the Flat Left Wrist, Rhythm and Hinge Action, just to name three.
Only Homer Kelley manufactured Golfing Machines come with Primary Lever Assemblies made with steel hinge pins. Beware of the cheap imports that use leather thongs.
bts
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How anout this?quote:Originally posted by Ringer
I have made an illustration of impact alignments as close as I can to those in 2-C. If you spot anything out of sorts with this illustration, please feel free to speak up. Also, if you would like any other alignments illustrated on this picture, or any others.. let me know. I'm just trying to make sure I understand the way Homer was trying to explain these concepts.
Straight (without sidespin):
The initial ball direction is 90 degree to the clubface (which is square horizontally to the target line) at separation. While the contact point is maintained in-line, at least horizontally, with the clubhead path ("sustain the line of compression") from the initail contact (to deformation against the clubface) to (reformation and bouncing off the clubface) at separation.
Im not sure - im just storing this in my incubator and see any of this is useful later on. At the moment I try not to comment on something I don't actually have a view on and I don't know enough about the topic at hand to make a impartial judgement...
You are right however that no matter how good a source is (and yoda is a great source and I treat everything he states with due respect</u>) that the inquistive mind will never stop learning and will always succeed in getting knowledge over those who are just sheep. Bahhhhhh ! It is the only way to truely understand anything - question, question, question....
I posted a question one day on this forum and a simiar situation occured. I was going to repond by saying to cut out the nonsence when I looked up at the heading" golf swing discussion and debate". As much as I dislike the bickering, I get it enough in corrections the forum does allow for this to occur. Until the heading of the forum changes everyone in disagreement should do so with etticate. If everything here was total TGM only the people that already understood this would be here. I find TGM facinating but do I think everything is gospel, I do not know enough about it yet. I am on this site because I think there are some fine golf instructors that where I'm from could never have the chance to get learn from and I must accept that disagreements are going to happen when it comes to the golf swing, TIM
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What I dubbed the "Target Line" is not a line to be of force, but a visual equivilant of a line bisecting the ball for a visual reference as to WHERE the impact point should be in relation to directly behind the center of the ball. This is why the line bisects the ball, but the impact point is well inside of it. I have added a green dot to indicate the impact point. You may need to reload the image.
What I dubbed the "Target Line" is not a line to be of force, but a visual equivilant of a line bisecting the ball for a visual reference as to WHERE the impact point should be in relation to directly behind the center of the ball. This is why the line bisects the ball, but the impact point is well inside of it. I have added a green dot to indicate the impact point. You may need to reload the image.
So then the clubface should actually be slightly closed at the low point and also slightly closed in relation to the swing radius?
Thanks rhw, I appreciate someone willing to have a discussion rather than just accept what they are told.
If he really wanted a 'bolted' hinge, isn't he really talking about one long lever, from the right shoulder to the club? Mike Austin's "keep the 7"? If that is the case you have a sort of type 1 lever of the shoulders over 'center', which move the hands by their motion?
No matter how you hold it, its done with long appendages that wrap around the club. If you were playing "Jeopardy" and you could only guess "hinge pin" or "Thong" and the question was, "Whats long and bendable and wraps around objects to secure and fasten them?" What would you answer, Ed?
I would answer thong for the hands connection and if that is the answer, you have a class 1 lever of the shoulders and arms over the 'center' fulcrum - the hands moving the club. You have a center of mass that is between the shoulders and force moves around that center of mass.
Steve - closed to the swing radius? Still square to the arc?
Steve - closed to the swing radius? Still square to the arc?
rwh
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The "hinge pin" accomplishes two goals. First, it prevents horizontal motion and, thereby maintains the imperative of the Flat Left Wrist. Second, it permits the desired vertical motion --the cocking and uncocking of the Left Wrist.
The Golfing Machine Primary Lever System is a Form III Lever, with the Left Shoulder as the Fulcrum, the Clubhead as the Weight and the Force in between.
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