Jack Nicklaus Swing Analysis?

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Mr Inconsistent

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Alright I looked it up, they list Price at 6' 190 and Toms at 5'10" 160.

http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/19/68/

I didn't realize Toms was quite that skinny but the point is that Nick Price is a pretty regular sized guy, there are a million guys out there playing golf who are his size. You're acting like he's Phil Blackmar or somebody. Saying he's a linebacker is ridiculous, you watch football right? They are usually about 6'2" 240lbs. If you want to talk smack about Leadbetter you should go another route than making fun of Price and Faldo, they are all time great ball strikers. Talk about how Leadbetter endlessly prescibes drills, uses confusing wording, and tends to lose sight of the big picture of a full golf swing on occasion, or something to that effect.

Ryan, what are you talking about, you probably looked up Faldo, we're talking about Price.
 
birdie_man

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What's the difference. Just like Price.....big guy....hit it short.

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Fair enough tho that they were great players....multiple major winning.

But really, if Faldo (6'3, 195 lbs.) coulda got more yardage outta his swing he prolly woulda been pretty dominating.....coulda won MORE majors.....no?

And why not?

Who says u can't be long and straight....?

All anyone really can say I think....is it is something that he prolly coulda improved. (and for the better of his game)
 
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aaron_lohan said:
It is in Faldos autobiography about the meeting with Hogan, also check out 'Golf a good walk spoiled' by John Feinstein for the quote about faldo being the only modern player Hogan liked, also there is a biography of Faldo's cant remember the author off hand- might not be available in the US though- Faldos autobiography is a good read.
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"Don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see."

Woody was there at the time of the meeting and has first hand knowledge. The story I heard is very different than what is 'told'.
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Tom Bartlett said:
aaron_lohan said:
It is in Faldos autobiography about the meeting with Hogan, also check out 'Golf a good walk spoiled' by John Feinstein for the quote about faldo being the only modern player Hogan liked, also there is a biography of Faldo's cant remember the author off hand- might not be available in the US though- Faldos autobiography is a good read.
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"Don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see."

Woody was there at the time of the meeting and has first hand knowledge. The story I heard is very different than what is 'told'.
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can you elaborate on this? Who is Woody? and why would he be there im led to believe it was a private meeting at a course called Shady Oaks where Hogan played in his latter years.
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Had to say something, Nick Price during his prime was probaly one of the best drivers of the ball. He was long and accurate.From 93 to 95 he finished 11th, 6th, and 23rd in driving distance Stats way ahead of Jeff Sulman. In no way am I a Leadbetter Fan but between Faldo and Price they have six majors and and spent a whole bunch of weeks being number 1.
 
self-mastery

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What was the original topic of this post?

Say what you will about the virtues of being a straight short hitter, NO one on the tour in 2007 is willing to sacrifice distance for a lil more accuracy.
 
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So Jack is longer than Tiger ? What are their swing speeds ? That should take care of any difference in equipment. I'll see if I can find a good video, the number of frames/position should give an idea. I think a big difference between Tiger and Jack is that Jack had a family much younger, plus he didn't have a jet to travel around in, and wasn't completely set financially right off the bat, so he probably had far less time to practice. I think Tiger would destroy Jack, just like he has everyone else. I'll bet Tiger is way stronger and in much better shape than Jack ever was. I don't recall Jack spinning back 15 yard shots, or hitting flop shots, stingers, 220 yard six irons out of the rough, etc..
 
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azgolfer said:
So Jack is longer than Tiger ? What are their swing speeds ? That should take care of any difference in equipment. I'll see if I can find a good video, the number of frames/position should give an idea. I think a big difference between Tiger and Jack is that Jack had a family much younger, plus he didn't have a jet to travel around in, and wasn't completely set financially right off the bat, so he probably had far less time to practice. I think Tiger would destroy Jack, just like he has everyone else. I'll bet Tiger is way stronger and in much better shape than Jack ever was. I don't recall Jack spinning back 15 yard shots, or hitting flop shots, stingers, 220 yard six irons out of the rough, etc..
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Did you watch Nicklaus in his prime?
 
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What??

self-mastery said:
Faldo worship is passe. He's another guy that the game left behind... It's hard to get excited about a guy that bunted the ball around the golf course. He played smart boring gutless golf, and grinded out 6 majors.
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I'd like to "bunt" it around and grind it around just like that...I would imagine there's a whole bunch of professional golfers who would like to have 6 majors on their resume, no matter how they won them. Your comment makes it sound that the fact that he wasn't the longest player out there makes those wins somehow less impressive or something. I guess then you would say Jack Nicklaus' major wins were boring because he ALWAYS talked about being patient, hitting to the middle of the greens, only attacking certain pins and other "gutless" play.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Did you watch Nicklaus in his prime?
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I didn't. My point is that Jack may or may not have had the talent to compete with Tiger, but that Tiger has benefitted from the discovery that working out is good for your golf game, from the idea (presumably from Pelz) that the wedge game has not been given enough importance, and has put an incredible amount of practice time in making sure that every aspect of his game is great. In addition, he now has the physique of a pro football player. I don't think Jack did these things. Jack admits his wedge game was average even for the time. And certainly there is no comparison for physical strength/stamina. I would very much like to know their swing speeds, as it seems this would tell who would be longer with the same equipment. Anybody have this information ?

Edit: Actually, Jack had the talent to compete with anyone.
 
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birdie_man said:
Jack had 18 majors for a reason......

Tiger for sure would NOT "destroy"......c'mon now.....
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Well... If Jack worked as hard as Tiger does....but that's a hypothetical. I just don't like it when people discount how hard Tiger (and other modern players) work at all aspects of their game and that they are in the gym every day. Also don't care for Jack saying that Tiger has other guys "buffaloed" so that's why he always wins on Sunday. If you are facing Tiger on Sunday you know

- His game is better than yours
- He doesn't fade under pressure

So what do you do ?

- Play your own game - lose by a couple strokes
- Take risks - usually lose by more, but sometimes win

To me, Tiger is like Jack with a great wedge game, more fit, stronger, and a greater variety of shots. Jack was great for his time but I think Hogan actually has a stronger influence on today's players.
 
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Surely Tiger has a lot of people scared......and for pretty good reason.

But u use the word "buffaloed" (not sure if that's from Jack or w/e)......and really, there is a lot of that too......but you have to somehow learn to deal with it if you are playing pro golf with the best. (or if you WANT to) No one has the right to tell em it's easy but it's not supposed to be either.

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Hypothetical (but similar things have happened many times) situation:

Sunday......a pro (whoever) is 5 under (or w/e) after 12 holes.....Tiger is "right in there" with him......the next few he is +2 (or w/e).....Tiger plays well (as usual) but later pulls out his 2 iron and coasts in.

WTH happened?????

And it does happen.......I mean.....count on one hand people who have dueled with him.....Ernie, Bob May, Dimarco a couple times......uh....who else?? Has he played well.....of course....sometimes crazy good (can't take away from the guy)......is it always a stampede tho? Does the field fall back? Or are they just not capable of keeping up......? (and I'm saying I don't think that's always the case...which leaves it to nerves)

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However, u really can't take anything away from the guy.....no one can.....Jack is not a shmuck tho.

EDIT: + Stewart Cink. (dueled with Tiger)
 
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azgolfer said:
So Jack is longer than Tiger ? What are their swing speeds ? That should take care of any difference in equipment. I'll see if I can find a good video, the number of frames/position should give an idea. I think a big difference between Tiger and Jack is that Jack had a family much younger, plus he didn't have a jet to travel around in, and wasn't completely set financially right off the bat, so he probably had far less time to practice. I think Tiger would destroy Jack, just like he has everyone else. I'll bet Tiger is way stronger and in much better shape than Jack ever was. I don't recall Jack spinning back 15 yard shots, or hitting flop shots, stingers, 220 yard six irons out of the rough, etc..
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I would say that Jack was probably just as long as Tiger in his prime. However Jack was a much physically larger person than Tiger ever will be.

Even though balls spun a lot more themselves back when Jack played the conditions of the fairways/greens were NO WHERE what they are today, even Augusta. People don't realize how much a closely mown fairway and firmer short cut greens add to the ability to spin the ball.

Jack never had to hit flop shots, he even himself admits he had a poor shortgame and that was because he hit so many greens. He didn't have to be so inventive.
 
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