Jwat,
I have always enjoyed your presence on this forum.
Everyone, as you've just written above, keeps calling this new information about the release- "early release". It has nothing to do "early", but more to do with " correct".
By looking at these "stills" one thing jumps out at me. I see a ton of pivot and little arm swing. Look at how little your arms have lowered and how much you pivot has turned/moved. I am not one to use scientific vernacular, but you are putting so little pressure into the area where you want to see lag.
If there is one thing that has to happen in great golf swings it is that YOUR ARMS HAVE TO SWING.
Hey Lindsey,
I guess I am using the wrong terminology when it comes to stating the release as being early. Although, during my lesson a couple months ago, BManz was having me out toss immediately and focus on putting the left hand on the wall and that was the main focus of the lesson. I feel like I have gotten the left hand on the wall down to a T, but still lacking the consistent impact.
I think you are definitely right about the no arms on the DS. I have worked really hard the last 3 years getting a good pivot on the BS that I have allowed it to leak into the DS and the arms have been left behind.
I know we aren't supposed to be focusing on holding lag and what not. But, I have never had any lag to try to hold or retain ever in the DS. I believe that alot of guys do need less drag/hold, but my question is, "Do I personally need to be focusing on out tossing early in the swing?"
Whoever said to focus on an early release?????
Yea I was using the wrong terminology. I was told to out toss immediately where the face of the club is pointing to the sky and finish with my left hand on the wall. And I think that is great for alot of guys. And I have worked hard on it non stop for a couple of months now.
But it just seems like it isn't working and I have more throwaway now and definitely have lost even more distance. So I am just trying to figure out, "is this what is best for my swing?" I have a vested interest in changing my swing for the good and not just keep implementing short term fixes. I just dont see any good ball strikers whether it be the scratch guys I play with or tour pros that are ever in this position on the DS.
There is indeed a lot of pivot in those first few iPhone images...I could see how that could tug on the left arm and release the club earlier than intended.
More arm swing/less pivot in the first part of the swing pretty much equates to keeping your back turned to the target I think? Should get more 'lag' halfway down then.
I agree, looks like alot of pivot, but what good scratch player doesn't have alot of pivot on the BS. Believe me, during my lesson I was focusing less on pivot and just trying to get the back to the target and I hit the ball straightish. But when I do that I am at least 1-2 irons shorter and 20 yds shorter with the driver. I am already struggling with a huge power leak that I have been dealing with this year where I have already lost those yardages with all my clubs.
So if I make a swing without a good pivot and just get my back to the target, we are talking about me being every bit of 2 irons shorter and 30-40 yds less with my driver from where I was at last year. I just don't feel like it is a good tradeoff.
Jwat, Here is what I've been doing to eliminate my throw away and learn how to tumble:
1. Watch the Alexander Noren drill Kevin posted on xmas eve 100 times and pay attention to what he is doing.
2. Watch the aftermath video between the 10-13 minute mark and see kind of how Brian incorporates that into staying on plane and replacing the lead arm. (this was a major light bulb moment for me, man was I doing it wrong)
3. Read Lindsey's posts on the Sergio Tumble thread on page 9 and 10. It is much easier to understand what the hell he talking about after doing #1 & #2.
Hey Jeremy, thanks for the reply:
1. I have worked on this drill some and it definitely promotes less tug no doubt about it. But for me it is only successful with my 6i-wedge. When I do this drill before swinging midiron +, I hit really skanky shots in the heel of the club.
2. I will re watch this part of the video to see what you are pointing out.
3. I have read that thread over and over always pickup a new nugget from Lindsey and Kevin's posts. So I will go back to those pages and see if I can apply any of it.
All in all, I am just frustrated now that I have been taking lessons and participating on the board for 3 years now and still haven't accomplished any goals I set for myself. I bet I have flown to New Orleans at least 7 times over the past 3 years. To see guys go day in and day out hitting the ball solid and consistent and have half the knowledge and golf ability I have is very frustrating to say the least. I am a 3 hcp for 1 reason and only 1 reason and that is ball striking. I chip, putt, and manage the course like a scratch golfer but hit the ball like a 8 hcp. And to top it off, I have lost so much distance this year in every club its made it that much harder. I appreciate everyone's participation with my swing.
Alot of us spend countless hours learning about the golf swing, but if we can't apply it to our own swing than what is the point?
