Manzella To The Rescue....
What's more alarming.. the faked follow-through / finish position or his idea of the impact position?
I like the new swing a lot better than the Haney swing as a whole.
This is Sean's chance to try to make HIS method work big, big time.
Guess all the athletic swingers around here can go get a tour card and use woods as a whipping boy, point is , the athletic swings exist only in your deluded minds or else you would have got on a tour
Caedus,
Glad to have you around.
One of the best ball-strikers in the last 40 years of golf is a guy from New Orleans named Stan Stopa. I know you probably never heard of him. But Stan, who won the NCAA Division II individual championship, and the United States Public Links, as well as many smaller events, tried more times than Mac O'Grady did to try to qualify for the PGA Tour.
Why didn't he make it?
From 60 yards and in, he is a 5 handicapper.
Sorry to blow up you little theory.
Tom Bartlett hits it to this day better than most of the PGA Tour, but is just not cut out for the travel, and never made enough putts to get out of the second stage of the PGA Tour school.
I could name you 1000 more if I did the research.
Now, if you can not STRIKE the ball properly—something that used to be so esoteric, but can now easily be measured on TrackMan—you can't teach at the highest level.
You might not like my swing's looks, but I can light up TrackMan like a Christmas tree, and NOBODY but you ever said I couldn't bust a grape.
But, you are entitled to your opinion.
C'mon guys - by all means critique the actual swing that he puts on the ball. But the drill's not the swing, it's a means to an end. You know that.
I have NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THE DRILL THAT SEAN GAVE TIGER if they work.
So far, his swing looks better by a bunch from the end of the Haney-Tiger era.
On the actual driver swing, that looked to me like a lot more lag on the way down than he had with either Harmon or Haney. Not sure how that's going to benefit his driving - but would be curious to hear people's thoughts.
Tiger was over-tumbling at the end of the Haney-Tiger era.
He has NEVER had anything like a sweep release.
This swing looks like more POP than the Haney version.
But....
Wouldn't you LOVE TO SEE the before and after Trackman numbers?
Tiger has a unit, and does NOT use it at all for his swing.
The follow through is a little scary. Too much momentum to tell on the real driver swing, but the practice swings did look very SnT cut off - and it looked like it was creeping into the iron shot for real. I have no idea what that is supposed to do for Tiger - and I've read the book. To me, that follow-through is like a little trophy branding. It says, on live TV, "SnT woz here"
The S&T finish, "Sexy at P10," is the only way yur arms can wind up with that SEVERE leftward hip movement.
I like Hogan's finish better.
Looks like he's focusing on getting his CoG's moving targetward on the downswing and he was doing a drill to exaggerate that. I wouldn't pay attention to the follow thru, just a result of the 'drill' of him trying to exaggerate what he's doing.
It will interesting to talk CofG's at the Manziposium.
The issue is his needing to go thru these contortions to fix a game that was once the best of all time. Six years of parallel lines and over-rotating the left arm and club has really got him messed up. These drills may be necessary to get him back, but you would think that he would watch that 2000 golf swing and simply try to get back to it. Maybe that is what Foley is working towards.
No doubt Sean got damaged goods.
Easier said than done.
I think we've all had those periods of time where we struck the ball really well and our swing looked really good, too. Then over time we 'lose' that swing and you try to get back to it and it's really hard and your friends tell you that 'you just simply need to go back to that old swing.'
If only it was that easy.
It isn't that easy with Video.
But, if you had the TrackMan numbers, the 6° 3-D print out, and the DBS CofG data, it would be very easy, unless the person had a carzy different body.
Tiger does not. And the data doesn't exist.
I will bang on you, I dont think you have any reson to bash on what they are working on, one because you arnt there, two you havent even spent a day with foley or mike and andy to crtique their teachings...
Ah.....
If having to see a teacher teach live, or having to quiz them about their stuff live, was the "Gold Standard" on critiquing golf teachers, I'd pretty much have no critics.
It comes with the business.
If you can't take, go sell AllState.
...they are on tour and your teaching old people...
BTW, it's "you're," not "your."
Anyhoo, you will NEVER be a great teacher if you don't learn to teach great on old, young, lady, man, difficult student, easy student, good player bad swing, bad player good swing.
Never.
You think I'd give more lessons on Tour if I hung out at a half-dozen events next year?
what you do and what it feels like you do are almost always two completely different things... you rehearse to get the feeling, he obviously didn't make that move when he hit the ball.
You are correct sir.
The drills he is doing appears contrived but the swing looks better than the Haney pattern.
Yup.
But, early on, the Haney pattern was good too.
There is nothing wrong with a centered pivot...
I agree.
But....
Is it optimum???
We shall see.
WTF would ringer know, look at his swing , terrrribblle
Caedus, pal o'mine, what do you think of Kevon Shields' swing?
Working with tour pros is an easy job?...
Easier not to look stupid, harder to look brilliant.
I must be confused because I thought the whole Manzella type teaching was to get the student to exaggerate a move until they go too far then move them back to the middle of the"matrix."
Not anymore.
We never stand pat.
What Trackman has allowed us to do, is this:
We can take a student STRAIGHT to the middle, and then move toward the desired ball-flight.
We used to move them PAST the middle, then move them toward.
BIG upgrade.
Sorry for the use of the word method which seems now to be a 4 letter word I just couldn't think of another way to write it.
Only a four letter word to METHOD teachers.
If the shoe fits....it makes you mad.
When I am thin, calling me fat doesn't really move me. Got it?
"Golfswings are more like gardens than buildings." -Brian
What a brilliant quote.
I think Darth caedus is only here for the lightsaber duels.
All Star Wars characters can "get a run" anytime they want.
Next!
Just enough to "blow it up" and only if needed. Case by case basis.
I have no problem with some exaggeration.
I'll stand on my head if it will help my students.
And I'll ask them to do it if it will help some more.
Could it be TW sees other guys having success with this move? The guys on the tour watch each other and know who is striking well. Plummer, Foley, etc. would disappear pretty quickly without success no? Haven't seen Leadbetter or Haney on the tour lately??
It is a copycat tour.
I can't wait to make my run at it.
Looks like an orange tree on the Florida Turnpike to me.
