LPGA vs. PGA releases

[natep]

Joe Miller hits it just as long, if not longer than Sadlowski and Zuback.

 

[gmbtempe]

Joe Miller hits it just as long, if not longer than Sadlowski and Zuback.

Thats why I tried to use PGA tour players, they dont get 7 reloads to hit the 18th fairway to win a tourney ( :

 

[natep]

Well, I was responding to Todd's post below:

Here's a couple of Super Heavyweights fer ya. Zuback and Sadlowski. Like all long hitters, they line-up the shaft past the left shoulder. Coincidence?

The fact is, not all long hitters line the club up late like Todd says.

And not everyone who lines it up late is more accurate either.

 

[gmbtempe]

"all" is a dangerous word in golf swing mechanics

 

[Kevin Shields]

Todd, curious as to why you use the 2D double pendulum model so much. It's so incomplete.

 

[SteveT]

Here's a couple of Super Heavyweights fer ya. Zuback and Sadlowski. Like all long hitters, they line-up the shaft past the left shoulder. Coincidence?

More super heavyweights

From kinetic analysis, the position of the arms and club shaft are immaterial because the clubhead is in a state of dynamic "disconnect".

The true kinetic swing radius is thus from the clubhead CofM(ass) to the shoulder span rotation axis, somewhere to the left of the head in the upper torso. The kinetic swing radius goes through the air too.

At the moment of impact, the lead arm and clubshaft may instantaneously align, except for Sadlowski who is a special case.

Sadlowski was a hockey player, and for his slap shot he had both elbows bent as the stick blade contacted and pressed into the ice well before the puck to flex the shaft and thus slap the blade into the puck.

My guess is that Sadlowski is chicken winging his left elbow in a slap shot orientation.... which incidentally may be applying a huge parametric acceleration as he pulls up on the driver head. Also, if he didn't keep his elbow flexed, he might dig the driver head into the ground a foot before the ball...

 

[gmbtempe]

At the moment of impact, the lead arm and clubshaft may instantaneously align, except for Sadlowski who is a special case.

Or it does not, as we can clearly see from the photo's above. Its not that you "can't" have it align, its whether having it "line up" later like a David Toms is a better way to have power and control.

 

[ekennedy]

Slap-hinge release is way more accurate than crossover one. I am pretty much a very accurate golfer and use this type of release with lots of ground-up pivot and zero arms. Just subconscious friendly action.
BTW, the guy who Hogan considered the best from tee to green used slap-hinge release as well. There is a lot of misunderstandings concerning this type of release because of TGM jibberish and its impact on golf instruction. Glad that these dark days are over.

Cheers

Long live Wild Bill.

 

[Kevin Shields]

"all" is a dangerous word in golf swing mechanics

Totally agree. The outcasts on the fringe won't agree with you though.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Not a fan of either but I guess my concern is how they are being achieved, usually those crossover rolls are a result and not a cause, not sure about the slap type move having never really studied it.

Honestly, im just curious, Greg. How can you not be a fan if you've never studied it?

 

[BrendanC]

The key to this is not physics, it is biology.

The danger is teachers will try to make people play in ways that are physically beyond them to match some alleged 'great ballstriker' position.

 

[self-mastery]

are you accurate?

Yes.

My only complaint is my low ball flight.

 

[Kevin Shields]

The key to this is not physics, it is biology.

The danger is teachers will try to make people play in ways that are physically beyond them to match some alleged 'great ballstriker' position.

Amen brother. Case in point : jeffy.

 

[gmbtempe]

Honestly, im just curious, Greg. How can you not be a fan if you've never studied it?

I meant the cause and affect relationship, but the slap type release to me is tough to time the face angle in my limited experiments, now if its ends up just happening as a result of pivoting well then I would imagine its pretty consistent.

Whether one is dragging the handle, or slap-hinging, I don't like manipulating things all that much in the golf swing with my hands....throw in the old AJ Bonar roll the hands to square it up, does not compute with me.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I meant the cause and affect relationship, but the slap type release to me is tough to time the face angle in my limited experiments, now if its ends up just happening as a result of pivoting well then I would imagine its pretty consistent.

Whether one is dragging the handle, or slap-hinging, I don't like manipulating things all that much in the golf swing with my hands....throw in the old AJ Bonar roll the hands to square it up, does not compute with me.

Do you think pivoting has much to do with squaring the face? I ask because I value your thoughts and I'm just trying to get where you're coming from. If so, how do you think pivoting would/could square the face?

 

[Nitro7]

How about comparing Paula and Yani. That would be interesting.

 

[puttmaster]

The key to this is not physics, it is biology.

The danger is teachers will try to make people play in ways that are physically beyond them to match some alleged 'great ballstriker' position.

Wish I had a dollar for every non-Hoganesque physique I've seen being put into Hoganesque positions on the practice tee.

 

[gmbtempe]

Do you think pivoting has much to do with squaring the face? I ask because I value your thoughts and I'm just trying to get where you're coming from. If so, how do you think pivoting would/could square the face?

I think you can square the face with a manipulation of the hands, as a AJ Bonar has demonstrated. I like figuring out what grip works best and then just pivoting through the shot with a athletic motion.

You ask if it has much to do it with it and I think they are closely intertwined. If you have a poor pivot and your hands/arms are not in the correct position then you are left with no choice but to slap at the ball, or roll through the shot.

If there was one thing I think the hands can do though to help square the face is to take a better handpath, obviously this is happening very early in the downswing before physics takes over.

edit: obviously the hands, arms, pivot, all play a roll, I just don't like the idea of "trying" to square the face with the hands.

 

[wesselsw]

Going back to biology. Compared to males, females have a pelvis that is wider and more circular, resulting in a forward tilt in the top of the pelvis (or so I have been told). Is it possible that this makes it harder for females to rotate their hips such that they instead release their upper body earlier in the kinetic chain?

 

[Kevin Shields]

I think you can square the face with a manipulation of the hands, as a AJ Bonar has demonstrated. I like figuring out what grip works best and then just pivoting through the shot with a athletic motion.

You ask if it has much to do it with it and I think they are closely intertwined. If you have a poor pivot and your hands/arms are not in the correct position then you are left with no choice but to slap at the ball, or roll through the shot.

If there was one thing I think the hands can do though to help square the face is to take a better handpath, obviously this is happening very early in the downswing before physics takes over.

edit: obviously the hands, arms, pivot, all play a roll, I just don't like the idea of "trying" to square the face with the hands.

Got it. Thanks.