New FRONT9 Video - Rory's Key Move - by Brian Manzella
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Richard Franklin
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Big pieces of the "new release" packaged up nicey nice for Joe Golfer. Brilliant.
Joe Duffer
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Brian Manzella
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great info, simple presentation. really well done.
Richard Franklin
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If the golfer feels like the club is coming out of their hands in the transition than that golfer "tugged" or moved his hands straight to the ball causing a "flee out" of the center of mass. A pull, as prescribed in the video is a motion along the shaft; as demonstrated by Nesbit in ASII and pretty much everyone that kills it.
Kevin Shields
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That's an exceptional video. Probably the reason I don't do videos. You'll never get that kind of commentary on the telecasts.
As I mentioned in another thread, I love this video. I have the tendency to let my hands flee after the initial pull.
The weather seemed to cooperate more than it did for you when you shot the video on Phil. It looked like it was raining! Although, between the rain and the geese that looked like they were on the attack you weren't phased a bit. You pulled it off because, just like you talked about in the WSJ thread, practice of all kinds, in all sorts of environments.
The weather seemed to cooperate more than it did for you when you shot the video on Phil. It looked like it was raining! Although, between the rain and the geese that looked like they were on the attack you weren't phased a bit. You pulled it off because, just like you talked about in the WSJ thread, practice of all kinds, in all sorts of environments.
gaspasser1
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I'm a little confused. I've been thinking of that pull from the top as "tugging". Isn't tugging to be avoided by those using the out-toss? Maybe i need a clearer idea of what tugging is....
Matt Bryda
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I think a key to this is when and for how long you pull.
Jared Willerson
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Pull = Vertical (Think Sam Snead "pulling the window shade straight down")
Tug = Horizontal (Think spinning out the shoulders)
Big differences between the two.
Tug = Horizontal (Think spinning out the shoulders)
Big differences between the two.
Brian Manzella
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It wouldn't be exactly what I would tell a particular golfer in a lesson. Maybe because that particular golfer is already DOING IT.
Also, I don't have all day in the video, but I wish I added "With your back still at the target...."
And, btw, it is, the pure FORCE ALONG THE HAND PATH phase.
Well said.
Maybe one day....
In the Phil/knockdown video it was cold, windy from the wrong direction, and raining.
The show must go on.
I think maybe if I do 10000000000000 videos on the Nesbit hub path study type of downswing, it might be enough to let people know that the "out-toss" is a feel or drill that—believe it or not—some folks need.
Here is what you should do it the downswing.
PHASE 1 - FORCE ALONG THE HAND PATH without your back turning too fast and re-locating your hands too far forward and putting your shoulder in a weak position to PULL. Pulling on the rope.
PHASE 2 - TORQUE ABOUT THE COUPLING POINT - Pretty much what the Rory video was about. Remember the torque about the coupling point has a alpha (on the plane), beta (pitch to the plane), and gamma (about the shaft). Bending the rope so you can push and pull.
PAHSE 3 - GOING NORMAL - You have this weight on the end of the rope that you need to throw about 45°-ish down the building you are standing on the edge of the roof on. You HAVE TO get this weight on the other side of you, therefore you pull inward at the end of the torquing phase. Pushing at this point is silliness. Pull the rope-end toward you hard-kiri/Mike Austin style.
PHASE 2 - TORQUE ABOUT THE COUPLING POINT - Pretty much what the Rory video was about. Remember the torque about the coupling point has a alpha (on the plane), beta (pitch to the plane), and gamma (about the shaft). Bending the rope so you can push and pull.
PAHSE 3 - GOING NORMAL - You have this weight on the end of the rope that you need to throw about 45°-ish down the building you are standing on the edge of the roof on. You HAVE TO get this weight on the other side of you, therefore you pull inward at the end of the torquing phase. Pushing at this point is silliness. Pull the rope-end toward you hard-kiri/Mike Austin style.
JEREMY5577
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I've seen Rory doing split hand tumble drills. I'm guessing he knows that helps eliminate the right side.Nice video. But how much of this is Rory "trying to do" versus his natural ability just doing it's thing. Personally, I struggle with trying to fix symptoms in my swing that are caused by other catastrophic events.
rogerdodger
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Great video. Brian, these get better and better. More in three minutes than you can get in a half hour with other video instruction.
It wouldn't be exactly what I would tell a particular golfer in a lesson. Maybe because that particular golfer is already DOING IT.
Also, I don't have all day in the video, but I wish I added "With your back still at the target...."
And, btw, it is, the pure FORCE ALONG THE HAND PATH phase.
Well said.
Maybe one day....
In the Phil/knockdown video it was cold, windy from the wrong direction, and raining.
The show must go on.
I think maybe if I do 10000000000000 videos on the Nesbit hub path study type of downswing, it might be enough to let people know that the "out-toss" is a feel or drill that—believe it or not—some folks need.
Here is what you should do it the downswing.
PHASE 1 - FORCE ALONG THE HAND PATH without your back turning too fast and re-locating your hands too far forward and putting your shoulder in a weak position to PULL. Pulling on the rope.
PHASE 2 - TORQUE ABOUT THE COUPLING POINT - Pretty much what the Rory video was about. Remember the torque about the coupling point has a alpha (on the plane), beta (pitch to the plane), and gamma (about the shaft). Bending the rope so you can push and pull.
PAHSE 3 - GOING NORMAL - You have this weight on the end of the rope that you need to throw about 45°-ish down the building you are standing on the edge of the roof on. You HAVE TO get this weight on the other side of you, therefore you pull inward at the end of the torquing phase. Pushing at this point is silliness. Pull the rope-end toward you hard-kiri/Mike Austin style.
Dear Brian,
Thanks for your dedicated efforts in getting golf 'truths' out to all of us interested in improving, hopefully even 'continuously improving'. The great Golf Magazine article, this video, the Anti Summit, and your recent science-based tour all say to me that 2012 is already, and will continue to be a great year.
As you know, I am most interested in 'applying' science to the better understanding of the golf swing, and am passionate in making it understandable, and therefore keeping it simple. From our session at Marbella CC last year, you may recall in addition to lower and upper body dynamic balance, I also was spending considerable effort researching and studying the role of the shoulder complexes, especially the left shoulder for many reasons, and if you or others are interested, I promise to go into in the future.
With regard to your video, the comments on this string, and your succinct summary above, I would like to add what IMO can be a simple way to communicate and help golfers implement the moves noted above.
In summary, just send the left shoulder, at the top of the back swing UP the players 'natural' shoulder swing plane until impact.
I am sure another shorter session with the MATT's system and the golfers whose swings you studied will be able to turn my IMO into 'pending golf truth'. Pending only confirmation using the models and capabilities of the your panel of scientists at Anti Summit II. I call this, "golfs missing link", the independent motion of the shoulder complex from the torso/rib cage.
What I have found using the Titleist 3D software and independent supporting analyses, is that during the downswing, the left shoulder path (if the back to the target is retained) rotates somewhat circularly upward on a player-unique 'shoulder plane' following a natural path that initially pulls the upper left arm horizontally, then rotates upward towards vertical at the point of kinematic sequence maximum angular velocities. Then the left shoulder path becomes mostly vertical for the pre-impact 'parametric acceleration' phase, and finally rotates away from the target, and for many golfers, flattens out near horizontal from post impact and follow-thru.
I believe this motion of the left shoulder as noted above MAY BE ABLE to provide a 'simple way to implement' and satisfy or at least support the characteristics of the 3 Phases as you have summarized them above.
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