New FRONT9 Video - Rory's Key Move - by Brian Manzella

[art]

. If there's trouble on the left. Sorry but would anyone briefly dumb down arts post for me please?

Dear 66er,

This is 'art' and I pride myself in being able to communicate complicated things in a much more simple and easy to understand manner.

Would you please provide me/us (others may also be thinking what you have generously written), a few of the areas you are having difficulty understanding ??

 

[Kevin Shields]

Brian,
WHat would you do if you wanted to eliminate the left side of the course?

Don't roll the face for one. Learn to release it without roll.

 

[66er]

This is '66er', wow sorry if I offended you arturo, The 'trajectory' of the left shoulder, especially the interface between the head of the humerus and the glenoid cavity is CRUCIALLY important in determining the quality of the golf swing. This is where I'm lost.

 

[lia41985]

Don't roll the face for one. Learn to release it without roll.

A look at Y.E. Yang's "no roll" release: https://plus.google.com/photos/1066...21043359058?authkey=CL70xcHQj7vWcQ&banner=pwa

 

[tongzilla]

This a great video that illustrates some new concepts that upgrade Brian's long standing opinion of getting the club face to turn down early in the downswing and how one player, whether consciously or not, may go about doing that.

just to clarify- Brian now doesn't believe in turning the face down early OR do you mean the means by which the face turns down early has changed?

 

[lookingtolearn]

for TMGers- pitch elbow feel at start down, push elbow feel around half way down.

This was one of the many descriptions Brian gave me in my lesson (almost two years ago btw).

pitch, then punch
shallow, then steep
open, then closed
clubface facing the sky, then facing the ball

 

[art]

This is '66er', wow sorry if I offended you arturo, The 'trajectory' of the left shoulder, especially the interface between the head of the humerus and the glenoid cavity is CRUCIALLY important in determining the quality of the golf swing. This is where I'm lost.

Dear 66er,

I am not offended at all, just disappointed that I didn't make it clear to start.

The 'trajectory' of the left shoulder is just the path of the whole shoulder as it moves during the downswing.

The "humerus and the glenoid cavity" is a very important location and joint that if misaligned, or misused will very seriously reduce the quality of anybodies swing.

On the other hand, better knowledge and use of this joint IMO, can significantly increase the torque that accelerates the left arm until the release starts. I hope to discuss the details of this area in the future.

Please use your favorite search engine for details, and even U Tube to watch how that joint operates as the arm moves thru golf swing-like motions.

 

[ej20]

Most good players go open to closed on the downswing.Some more than others.

Maybe there was something to Haney's parallel plane theory?

 

[lia41985]

art,
Is this what you're talking about?:

 

[art]

art,
Is this what you're talking about?:

Dear lia41985,

NO lia, that is just what the 3D left shoulder rise appears to be in a face on picture.

As I KNOW you understand, while the shoulders, left arm and golf club are not ALL moving in the same 'swing plane' during the downswing, from a down the line view towards the target, they all tilt from the shoulders to the vicinity of the ball as best represented/depicted in "Five Lessons The Modern Fundamentals of Golf" as the 'Ben Hogan's back swing and downswing 'glass' planes.

Since you are so proficient with pictures and videos of golfers, maybe you could find and post some additional 'back towards the golfer' examples of the shoulders motion during the back swing until impact ?? Please see GeoffDicksons post and link to Rich Beems swing sequence pictures.

Finally, the pictures you did send depict a vertical (but hopefully, in shoulder plane) movement of the left shoulder and arm, CRUCIAL to realizing the potential club head velocity increase from 'parametric acceleration'. In contrast, many golfers left shoulders are already moving horizontally BEFORE impact, significantly affecting and reducing/eliminating this additional energy source.

 

[bertsmith]

Wopuld the Moe Norman type grip that Hank Haney had tiger try work?

 

[Dariusz J.]

for TMGers- pitch elbow feel at start down, push elbow feel around half way down.

Actually, this is what I consider as late Hogan's biggest microscale secret -- pitch elbow converting into punch elbow, if we need to use this imprecise TGM terminology. Brilliant concept assuring perpendicularity of the distal part to the spine and, simultaneusly, humera working together with main body action in the crucial part of the downswing.

Cheers

 

[btp]

I like the video. The drill kind of reminded me of Kallassy Swing Magic.

 

[Joe Duffer]

Rory from today...

 

[h71y6]

Thanks Brian for the fantastic video. Sadly i now incorporate the drill into my real swing and I can't seem to hit it any better if I wasn't. I Look like a chump but I keep telling myself it's not about the looks. All those years of junk has ruined me as it is quite hard to stop tugging.

 

[GeoffDickson]

Thanks for the 'visuals, and YES that is exactly what I was trying to communicate with words.

Art, Thanks for the second and third effort to help me understand the concept. Your efforts are much appreciated. I don't have access to a Trackman or Flightscope but I will give the direction of my left shoulder some consideration when next at the range.

 

[lia41985]

art,
With regards to Justin Rose, do you think these pictures of him illustrate the phenomenon you're describing?

 

[66er]

I still don't quite understand tugging, is it simply using the chest to speed up the lead arm briskly in the transition? Sorry for the off-topicness it's just bugging me I've missed the proper explanation.

 

[art]

art,
With regards to Justin Rose, do you think these pictures of him illustrate the phenomenon you're describing?

Dear lia41985,

How do I get the link (s) to the pictures ??

I would love to see them for reasons I will explain later.

Thanks lia

 

[spktho]

I still don't quite understand tugging, is it simply using the chest to speed up the lead arm briskly in the transition? Sorry for the off-topicness it's just bugging me I've missed the proper explanation.

Chest, shoulder turn, lower body turn, even the arms/hands can "tug". I think of a "tug" as any excessive and/or unnecessary and/or an out of sequence motion that gets the hands on a less desirable hand path--usually tugged out toward the ball or target line, just as you have stated(during the transition).