Accumulator lag is important ONLY if it produces a faster clubhead speed. This isn't always the case
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Accumulator lag is important ONLY if it produces a faster clubhead speed. This isn't always the case
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tongzilla
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the question is...
The questions is how much his hands have to slow down to accomodate the gain in clubhead speed coming from the smaller pulley.
I would not be surprised if his hands has to slow down to such an extent that his clubhead speed will be slower.
The questions is how much his hands have to slow down to accomodate the gain in clubhead speed coming from the smaller pulley.
I would not be surprised if his hands has to slow down to such an extent that his clubhead speed will be slower.
Chris Sturgess
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Haha, his forearm muscles don't prevent him from having flexibility. I don't think he would hit it farther with more accumulator lag because getting that lag in his swing would probably screw up other more important stuff he is doing kind of like Tongzilla just said.
I agree though that lag is more important for weaklings and average people. Because they can't generate the speed without it. Guys like Charles Howell, Sergio, Mickelson, Ben Hogan. You don't have to be on steroids to be strong by the way.
I agree though that lag is more important for weaklings and average people. Because they can't generate the speed without it. Guys like Charles Howell, Sergio, Mickelson, Ben Hogan. You don't have to be on steroids to be strong by the way.
Chris Sturgess
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Then they might use less lag and swing a little differently.
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ClubCaster
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I believe that Jason Zuback hits the ball so far precisely because of the incredible amount of lag that he produces. You guys that are saying that he doesn't have lag are not looking at the angle that is most important - the angle between his right forearm and the clubshaft when he is in the delivery position. In the photo below you can see that this angle is an unbelievable 62 degrees!
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Jared Willerson
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I don't think people are saying accumulator lag isn't important.....just that you don't have to look like Sergio to hit it far...
Brian's own top student has a full sweep release and can bomb it. Her swing is on this forum somewhere.
Lag pressure is very important.....it's an imperative. The "look" of accumulator lag is less important, but it is still what I strive for in my own swing.
Brian's own top student has a full sweep release and can bomb it. Her swing is on this forum somewhere.
Lag pressure is very important.....it's an imperative. The "look" of accumulator lag is less important, but it is still what I strive for in my own swing.
thefuture37
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holeout: whats an example of when more accumulator lag doesn't equal more clubhead speed?
chris: you don't know that having layers and layers of muscle inhibits flexibility? Do u think zuback can touch his toes? Nobody said you have to be on steriods to be strong. Zuback isn't in the strong category. He is in the bodybuilder category. If u think he looks the way he does without ever taking any performance enhancing drug(steriods or hgh), think again.
clubcaster: the point isnt that he never had lag, its that he doesn't maintain his lag that late in the downswing(he doesnt have a snap release ala hogan).
glcoach: you are right, u dont have to have sergios lag to hit it far, but you would hit it FARTHER(maybe not straighter though) with more lag.
chris: you don't know that having layers and layers of muscle inhibits flexibility? Do u think zuback can touch his toes? Nobody said you have to be on steriods to be strong. Zuback isn't in the strong category. He is in the bodybuilder category. If u think he looks the way he does without ever taking any performance enhancing drug(steriods or hgh), think again.
clubcaster: the point isnt that he never had lag, its that he doesn't maintain his lag that late in the downswing(he doesnt have a snap release ala hogan).
glcoach: you are right, u dont have to have sergios lag to hit it far, but you would hit it FARTHER(maybe not straighter though) with more lag.
thefuture37
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steroids?
Anybody think he got there all by himself?
Anybody think he got there all by himself?
ClubCaster
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Did you read what I wrote? My point is that he actually has an obscene amount of lag just before impact. Everyone is looking at the angle between his left arm and the clubshaft. That's not what is important. The angle between his right forearm and the clubshaft is what is important. Look at the photo that I posted in post #26. The angle between his right forearm and the clubshaft is 62 degrees! Hogan didn't even come close to that. Neither does Sergio.
mjstrong
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I'd like to think so, but he is/was a pharmacist by profession...
An example would be this:
Let's say you swing with a "full sweep release." Whether Zuback has one or not is unimportant, I don't want to get into that debate. Now, let's say with this full sweep release, you generate 125 mph clubhead speed. Pretty darn fast, right?
Okay, now let's say you worked with an instructor and you said, "Instructor, I want a snap release/crazy amounts of accumulator lag/maximum trigger delay. Teach me how." So let's assume you have a great instructor, we'll call him Mian Branzella. He figures, "Hey, if that's what this guy wants so bad, I'll teach him to do it." So you work and work and get your swing to where you have this nice Mike Finney/Sergio Garcia look of maximum trigger delay. You get excited and then step onto a launch monitor and swing away. And then POW, you hit one really good, look over at the numbers and . . . 120 mph. WTF mate?
Here's what (may have) happened. In generating this new swing with more accumulator lag, your hands had to slow down to accommodate for the new release. Or maybe your pivot speed lessened. And they had to slow down enough to where your clubhead speed at impact actually dropped 5 mph. I know what you might be thinking: "LOLsss, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about! More lag creates more distance!"
This is true, ceteris paribus. "Ceteris Paribus" is a phrase used in economics (among other things) to mean "all other things being equal." And in golf, more accumulator lag will definitely create more clubhead speed, ceteris paribus. But more accumulator lag may also affect other speed-creating elements in the swing adversely, creating less clubhead speed.
Make sense?
ClubCaster
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Tongzilla, if you are referring to the picture I posted in post #26, I changed the url so hopefully it will show up now. Let me know if it doesn't.
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CC
Yes it does, actually.
Is there a way to tell which type of release will maximize your clubhead speed apart from experimentation. Does a full sweep work tend to work best for weightlifters like Zuback or will even weightlifters vary?
Jim Kobylinski
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either he swung slower/less effort or he used a shorter driver (which would produce less clubhead speed with the same perceived effort) to create such a GAP in ball speed.
Assuming a 1.47 smash factor, on his swings that didn't break the glass he was swinging roughly 127mph (assuming a 187mph ball speed).
With the same assumptions above where he did break the glass he was swinging roughly 138mph.
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So either he was swinging slower or used a shorter driver, i don't know anyone who can "magically" find 9mph of swing speed when they are swinging as fast as they can. The only people i know who can ramp up their swing speed that much are a few of my friends who do swing in the 120-125 range; their average swing speed tends to be about 5-7mph slower because they swing for control on the course.
I don't know of a way to tell which will work. I'll have to defer to the experts on this one...
thefuture37
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Your logic is flawed. All you are saying is that you believe it to be true, so it is. Then you use a latin phrase in attempts to qualify your education. In your last paragraph you even make my point directly. You say that all else being equal, more lag creates more clubhead speed. If Zuback changed his swing so that everything else was the same, but he had more lag, he would have more clubhead speed. My contention is that I don't think its possible for him to swing with more accumulator lag, because he is so musclebound.
tank
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More muscular does not equate to less flexibility. If bigger muscles were resposible for less range of motion, the guys on the PGA tour would not work so hard to gain muscle.
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