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If you use 4 to 6 deg of loft it seem like fade ( and adding loft) might be better choice - with draw you may end with loft to small even for LD guys.
 
chris: you don't know that having layers and layers of muscle inhibits flexibility? Do u think zuback can touch his toes? Nobody said you have to be on steriods to be strong. Zuback isn't in the strong category. He is in the bodybuilder category. If u think he looks the way he does without ever taking any performance enhancing drug(steriods or hgh), think again.

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I've watched Zuback in person, and have seen his flexibility firsthand. No, having layers of muscle do not inhibit his flexibility. And I've seen a lot of flexible bodybulders, so that is too narrow a generalization to be valid as stated.

Zuback also is not a bodybuilder. His training was in powerlifting; so he is actually in the strong category. And while I can't defitively say that he hasn't used performance enhancing drugs, I really find it extremely narrowminded to say that he couldn't get where he is physically with out them. There are people who are genetically gifted enough to be able to put on a great deal of muscle, and disciplined enough to lean out. Why is it that many times when somebody sees a big, strong guy, especially if he is fairly well defined, that that guy is on steroids?

One other point about Zuback and the MMA fighter. Why wouldn't they be a good comparison, regarding the effect of muscularity on flexibility? They're close to the same size.
 
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I've watched Zuback in person, and have seen his flexibility firsthand. No, having layers of muscle do not inhibit his flexibility. And I've seen a lot of flexible bodybulders, so that is too narrow a generalization to be valid as stated.

Zuback also is not a bodybuilder. His training was in powerlifting; so he is actually in the strong category. And while I can't defitively say that he hasn't used performance enhancing drugs, I really find it extremely narrowminded to say that he couldn't get where he is physically with out them. There are people who are genetically gifted enough to be able to put on a great deal of muscle, and disciplined enough to lean out. Why is it that many times when somebody sees a big, strong guy, especially if he is fairly well defined, that that guy is on steroids?

One other point about Zuback and the MMA fighter. Why wouldn't they be a good comparison, regarding the effect of muscularity on flexibility? They're close to the same size.

Power lifter vs fighter...its not that difficult to see the difference. How many MMA fighters look like zuback? BTW, if u think steroids/drugs aren't a BIG part of pro longdriving then you probably believe Clemens only took lidocaine and "B12" also.
 
Power lifter vs fighter...its not that difficult to see the difference. How many MMA fighters look like zuback?

The MMA fighter in the video, for one. Besides that, the issue was one of muscle size and flexibility, wasn't it? The guy in the video was both heavily muscled and highly flexible, and he and Zuback are, again, similar in size.

BTW, if u think steroids/drugs aren't a BIG part of pro longdriving then you probably believe Clemens only took lidocaine and "B12" also.


I never said that. What I was saying is that it was highly presumptive to assume that Zuback could only look the way that he did by using performance enhancing drugs. That said, unless you have some kind of inside info, then you're assuming a lot about the longdrive community. Contrary to the popular belief of little people everywhere, you don't need steroids to be big and strong (unless you need steroids to be big and strong). If you've ever been to a long drive competition, you'd see some big guys, but that's not everybody. All you had to do was watch the finals. Of all the guys hitting, only 1 guy was unusually large. Everybody else looked like regular guys you'd see walking down the street. Even Zuback dosen't look as "impressive" in person as he doesn on those photos (where he's flexing, with good lighting, may having done some pushups to get a pump ahead of time).
 
I recently watched a dvd of a seminar conducted by biomechanist Chris Welch, who has been working recently with Zuback. In it, he discussed how they are trying to improve his kinetic linking to add more angular force into his motion. He obviously generates an incredible amount of linear and shear forces and they believe that the addition of more angular force will allow him to hit the ball even further. Chris also talks about how much "earlier" he releases the angle between the left arm and clubshaft (sweep release) compared to several other long drive champions who generate more angular force and delay the release a bit longer. It was an interesting perspective coming from someone who does not teach the mechanics of the golf swing per se.
 
He was going for ball speed so possibly a combination of less loft and longer shaft. I watched LD Art Sellinger in an exhibition trying to make a long carry over a ditch. He kept going back to the bag until one noticeably longer club was left and made it on the first ball. He told me it had 6* of loft. This was before ProV1/Strata days.

either he swung slower/less effort or he used a shorter driver (which would produce less clubhead speed with the same perceived effort) to create such a GAP in ball speed.

Assuming a 1.47 smash factor, on his swings that didn't break the glass he was swinging roughly 127mph (assuming a 187mph ball speed).

With the same assumptions above where he did break the glass he was swinging roughly 138mph.

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So either he was swinging slower or used a shorter driver, i don't know anyone who can "magically" find 9mph of swing speed when they are swinging as fast as they can. The only people i know who can ramp up their swing speed that much are a few of my friends who do swing in the 120-125 range; their average swing speed tends to be about 5-7mph slower because they swing for control on the course.
 
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