Oh Johnny....Johnny Johnny Johnny, you will never learn

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The 1% of the listening audience who know the emperor has no clothes, have no power to effect the NBC Talking heads. Truth is rarely found in the mainstream, keep looking in the margins. Many of his calls are as bad as his play was good.
 
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I think when Miller hit a trap draw or any of the other shots he talks about, that's exactly what he did. He did it and he knocked a lot of pins down doing it. It just so happens that trackman was not around then to explain what he actually did.
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Not denying any of this i personally just feel that with his fame and love of the game he should learn to not perpetuate myths.
 
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DCgolf said:
The 1% of the listening audience who know the emperor has no clothes, have no power to effect the NBC Talking heads. Truth is rarely found in the mainstream, keep looking in the margins. Many of his calls are as bad as his play was good.
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Superb.
 
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But it does make you think, no? Many of these fantastic super human golfers were TOTALLY misguided according to the science of the dd plane. Seems a bit strange to me.

When I saw Johnny at the Open at Turnberry as a little boy he was like a Greek god compared to the others. Seve was like the "best of men", Watson was like a X-Man who could do things you wouldn't expect of him and Big Jack wasn't big at all but oozed strength of character and a will to win that would never be extiguished.

None of them had a clue about the dd plane.
 
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Hasn't the D Plane been around since 1991 when Jorgenson's book came out? It took several years and Trackman for Manzella and company to buy into it. The D Plane isn't easy to explain. Manzella's video on the D Plane is over 40 minutes long trying to explain it. Imagine Jorgenson's frustration with you golf teachers back in 1991 when he knew the truth and you ignored him. Be patient, change sometimes takes awhile.
 
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wulsy said:
But it does make you think, no? Many of these fantastic super human golfers were TOTALLY misguided according to the science of the dd plane. Seems a bit strange to me.

When I saw Johnny at the Open at Turnberry as a little boy he was like a Greek god compared to the others. Seve was like the "best of men", Watson was like a X-Man who could do things you wouldn't expect of him and Big Jack wasn't big at all but oozed strength of character and a will to win that would never be extiguished.

None of them had a clue about the dd plane.
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I get what you are saying wulsy, I really do. But a lot of these guys wrote books or articles on what they thought they were doing when in fact they weren't quite doing what they thought they were. Their feels were undoubtedly real to them, but since their feels were not quite real in an empirical sense they should not be translated to the rest of golfers as commandments. Especially when we have more tools to observe what is really happening.
 
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Yes magic. But consider if these "empirical facts" had been told to these geniuses they might never have become the geniuses they became.
 
BrendanC

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Anyone getting deja vu all over again?

I'm talking about a tone in some posts that is very similar to the tone of some old posts in some old threads about an old book.
 
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BrendanC....i agree....

For what it's worth, every future post of mine should be understood to begin with this qualifier:

"As we understand it today"....
 
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wulsy said:
I don't know Hogan. As far as I know nobody does.
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maybe those teaching with a TrackMan now see a difference in how fast (or not) their students learns and improve before they started using a TM :D It's not empirical but might give an indication....:cool:
 
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